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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 17

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ickky · 03/06/2022 15:32

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council will be on the 20th June. I don't know if the existing links and pins will work. I will email nearer the time to check.

If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access.
Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 20th June 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

OP posts:
Shortpoet · 20/06/2022 16:46

II really needs a desk lamp so we can see her!

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 16:46

IO waffling again.

Eelicks · 20/06/2022 16:47

IO doth protest too much

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 20/06/2022 16:47

Sounds like IO is asking the judge to specifically comment in the protection racket comment in her judgement?

Mollyollydolly · 20/06/2022 16:47

AH is packing up his files while she witters on.

CriticalCondition · 20/06/2022 16:47

IO asking judge to make very clear and specific findings on allegations of protection racket.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 16:47

IO just rambling now

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/06/2022 16:47

Aw, lovely to see Allison again. All best wishes.

dunBel · 20/06/2022 16:48

AH should at least put himself on mute while he noisily packs up his desk while IO finishes off.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 16:48

MR getting ready to leave

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 16:48

She doesn't know how to speak concisely and to the point does she?

OvaHere · 20/06/2022 16:48

Don't think Martin is going to make that meeting on time!

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 16:49

I hope it's a nice meeting with a cold glass of wine as a treat after all this

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 16:49

Well it's all over.
No time frame for the decision.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/06/2022 16:49

Woohoo. What a marathon. I'm exhausted after all that. Don't know about them.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/06/2022 16:50

What a crazy ride that was

Mmmnotsure · 20/06/2022 16:50

Right. Done.

Farewell Ben. Farewell support wren.

Do we get the Maya Forstater judgment now?

tigertactics · 20/06/2022 16:50

Love someone commenting at the end they hope Mr Reuby isn't too late to his meeting. :)

Shortpoet · 20/06/2022 16:50

EJG needs a mumsnet spa-day!

WomensLandArmy · 20/06/2022 16:50

Loved the 'Gay icon' comment to AB in the chat, had to sit on my hands not to do similar.

Mollyollydolly · 20/06/2022 16:50

Nice to see Allison at the end there. Good luck Allison, what a marathon.

tigertactics · 20/06/2022 16:50

Overall a great series but they need to make more of the support cat character next time.

nauticant · 20/06/2022 16:50

Well, that's the end of that. I liked how, at the very end, EJG warned people of using the chat in an off-topic way.

Finally word is to @ickky. You've been a complete star.

Gabcsika · 20/06/2022 16:50

So... how do we all think that went?

Pluvia · 20/06/2022 16:51

dunBel · 20/06/2022 16:29

"The claimant has engaged in effective advocacy on Twitter of the beliefs that she holds... Her tweets must be judge in the light of legitimate advocacy on twitter on a matter of public importance"

Yes, that was a good bit wasn't it. It makes it clear as day that the message to GC people in the workplace is 'Shut the fuck up or take the consequences.'

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