Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

I beg to differ. We have had numerous testimonies over the last 2 weeks that barrister and clerks most certainly DO NOT gossip. They only speak of Football or if you are gay you may also speak of Mariah Carey or drag races!!!!

Obviously this discussion only happen rarely as they are soooo busy/on holiday/at the beach/driving with kids.

anyone can copy & paste bundle links in the chat from previous links - I've done it before though I'm not a god fearing christian.

just a do gooder athiest

'an element of dyslexia' Is this a thing?

Oh my. This bit of evidence about the member of chambers who was being targeted for supporting a trans activist, and the things they were suggesting to counter that (taking screenshots, reporting to the police and twitter, etc) are a marked contrast to how they were treating Allison.

I said somewhere on these threads that there's already been a trickle I think the real DC exodus will start with the many, many solicitors' firms. It should be lead by the Law Society FFS but for years they've been as much use to the profession as a chocolate teapot.

Ooh, back in time for a Twitterstorm!

Indeed. Which has been the subject of some of the most animated discussions because everyone knows it's utter bollocks

Right, so little abuse = fine, report to police. Lots of abuse = criticism, throw her to the wolves.

i worked in a completely different field to law, yet it was a fairly enclosed industry and we all tended to know one another, if only through a couple of steps of association.

But we all knew some of the shit that was going down in other businesses within our field. Within our own, mainly all male companies, gossip was rife. everyone knew everything. and that was in the days of fax machines and purple coloured photocopies.

the internet and email made it so much easier.

modern social media makes it even more likely there would be gossip.

"consequences" - don't speak up, women. The consequences are on your own head.

Oh, it's now the McGahey intervention.

BC compares to colleague being treated differently. Suggestions by board that abuse should be screen shotted and handed to police. Immediate action taken by board. Consider a press stated from GCC condemning abuse. SH keen to pursue in that case. Strongly endorsing actions suggested.

SH junior member had been subject to abuse for her work in court. Different context. Twitterstorm. Difficult to deal with, no precedent, everyone doing their best

Twitterstorm!

Starts to explain twitterstorm

EJ yes we know

SH AB entered into toxic heated debate by her own choice

EJ understand

She was on the verge of saying Allison brought it all on herself there, I feel.

'an element of dyslexia' Is this a thing?

The level of impairment of someone with dyslexia will vary. There is a minimum level of impairment you need to have to be diagnosed with dyslexia. But some people have more severe dyslexia than others.

BC: In 2018 JA, GCC member, was receiving abuse. It was suggested that screenshots be provided to police to trigger crime report and cease and desist letter sent from chambers.

SH: was v junior member subject to abuse arising from her work in court. I wasn't involved in decision making re AB's threats received. No precedent for the AB case - it was a twitterstorm, a deluge. JA's was just one person sending abuse. If you are doing a job in court that's one thing, but if like AB you enter into toxic heated debate.....and on....

BC and SH both shut her up

EJG getting fed up of SH labouring each point to within an inch of it's life.

Sorry again - BC and EJ were doing the shutting up

BC: Which is in the same thread, but separated by thousands of pages in the bundle....!

Again, SH like all the rest took exception to AB calling Morgan Page a "male", and wasn't exercised by the reasonable claim that Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling involves coercion. Now, in court, it's all the other way round.

GCC Barristers are all very educated & important, don't do paywalls so don't read broadsheet newspapers, and consider Pink News their "go to" source of legitimate information on "LGBT+" issues.

'to avoid distasteful conduct'

It's not distasteful to me to call out people trying to pressure lesbians into sex with men.

Doesn't she prattle on. 😴

Indeed @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus - that is an excellent analysis, thank you.

SH now leading the cross examination of BC