Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

Has there been a definition of "transphobic" or "transphobia"?

Oops is that a date mistake?

What email was she looking at when she looked shocked? I'm having trouble keeping up this afternoon

Hollaback Mumsnet!

BC you couldn't have been influenced by reports as they had not yet been published.

SH Not sure, thought Allison was going to speak.

She's making stuff up. She really needs to pull this together.

The date of her email was 24th October at 18.34.

Looking back over the past few weeks, if there's one newspaper that gets referred to again and again as supporting trans activist positions, it's not The Guardian, it's The Independent.

It has been since 2017/18. They also platform some dubious individuals.

how many references to Pink News as a new souprce by all these barristers. They have no idea how discredited PN is do they?
Blinded

I read stuff that confirmed my bias, yes

BC: The WPUK meeting was later, you couldn't have taken that into account.

SH: Oh, perhaps it was just the news that the WPUK meeting was going to happen.

Pink News thinks that reality is an anti trans organisation, so that’s not really a gotcha.

Fuck me. A ‘reliable’ outlet now.

I really hope ECJ goes and reads some pink news extracts 😂

Hmmm, BC picking up SH on assertions that AB's speech at Women's Place was part of her reasoning, when that didn't hppen until after her actions here. SH now trying to backtrack that it was a result of pre-publicity about AB going to the meeting

Do they not have any responsibility to actually fact check before distancing themselves from Allison's LGB Alliance? Can they just take someone else's word for it being transphobic and say "reputational damage" as an excuse?

'Reliable outlets' feck me .. ask Bindel or JK Rowling.

Pink news is reliable apparently 😂

Bet MR has never seen a copy of pink news

Ooh. SH claims to have done her own research incl. into a WPUK mtg following provided links and BH calling out the mtg hadn't yet taken place.

SH says either way, she did look at it quite carefully, and it was being repeated that GCC was anti trans and PN saying GCC did not speak for them.

They had a need to ensure no reputational damage by association with an organisation being called anti trans in reliable media.

GCC has no position on trans rights.

Reliable media outlets - that'll be Pink News then. (Punk News in a TT typo - LOL)

the media said these guys were baaaaad. Instead of looking into it thoroughly and applying those immense legal brains to confirming the facts, they decided to believe the pink news of all news outlets, and kneejerk respond accordingly.

Finally caught up again, thanks so much everyone.

Do they genuinely not know that even the DM would be considered more reliable and mainstream than pink news?

SH evidence is confusing.

BC did you think LGBA was transphobic.

SH it was being reported by reliable media as transphobic group. Garden court has no position on trans rights issue.

Cut short by BC as not answering clearly.

Oh she's getting in a pickle now.

Document from MN?

Has Justine been trying to help out with the bundle? Goodness knows someone needed to...

I think that SH and others are right that GCC didn't have a common position on trans rights. What they had was the majority who didn't give a toss and a small group of zealots who steered how GCC operated in this area.

Oh the backpeddling and the waffle....she's terrible!