Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

Given her visceral reaction to Get the L Out protest, it makes sense she went in hard against Allison as she sees her views expressed - especially on the cotton ceiling - as an extension of this.

This was a good line of Qs by BC to draw her out on.

Given her visceral reaction to Get the L Out protest, it makes sense she went in hard against Allison as she sees her views expressed - especially on the cotton ceiling - as an extension of this.

This was a good line of Qs by BC to draw her out on.

The TRWG didn't really exist - "the aspirational TRWG".

Jo Phoenix on the guest list :-)

www.gaystarnews.com/article/lesbian-activists-protest-against-trans-women-pride-london/

It's the interpretation of the reporter on the video at the bottom of 'someone' shouting out 'A man who says he’s a lesbian is a rapist’, literally as the segment cuts to go back to the original interviewee. No video. No audio. No record.

She's (deliberately) misremembering. Handy that the article is still up really. Wonder how long that will last?

BC says there's a difference between an objective and how successful someone is in achieving it.

EJ intervenes on the time.

Private Eye piece on JB

'This has really been an insight into legal Britain - and it is shocking and terrifying and depressing and galvanising in equal measure.'

Hasn't it just.

It has really shone a light on how the TRA position got entrenched. You kind of assume that intelligent, highly educated people have finely honed critical thinking skills. This just isn't the case. At all.

I'd forgotten "Carter-Fuck"

Not fair to put time pressures on Ben now. Very important witness. He's going to have to hurry her now.

Time.
It would seem we need far more time with MB (and perhaps with SH). GCC and Stonewall have done a good job over the past weeks with their various behaviour in limiting the time for the potentially most important witnesses.

Around 370 observers at the moment.

BC moves on to TRWG in 2018 (the second effort). Says it was clearly more than an email group in GCC. Set up for marketing and business development.

MB says her intention was to build individuals' capacity for litigation.

Like that scene in 'The Producers' where they cut to the audience and they’re ALL sitting there in total open-mouthed disbelief…..

It's been saved in the wayback machine 34 times.

Did anyone else think that the judge was interjecting quite helpfully there?

Move on to the detriments... Don't run out of time

am i getting screen fatigue or is she not looking like she is feeling quite as bright and in charge as she was when she started?

BC asks her about the Stonewall period, trying to establish MB's centrality to the trans rights agenda at GCC.

MB really annoyed (no one else did much) that chambers didn't embrace the Trans Rights Working Group.

Onto MB's links with Stonewall.

Oh God....I've just thought... is Ben going to be having the Cotton Ceiling conversation again today?

FFS, can she answer a question without the whole background?

I have to go out now. I always end up missing some completely mental bat-shittery from the witnesses when I go out, so no doubt there will be some more from MB while I'm gone

Handy that the article is still up really. Wonder how long that will last?

I had a quick look at just the one archive site and it's been saved 35 times there so there'll always be a record no matter what.

Ben is quite meandering. I think the judge is wise to keep him on track.