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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 12:23

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 12:23

At least the slowness of DDM's responses must be a break for Tribunal Tweets. They might even be able to sit there for a bit until the next one.

😂😂😂

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 12:23

BC - 'I've gone as far as i can on that point, Madam. I'll let the Tribunal make their minds up.'

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 12:23

BC inviting tribunal to consider DDM's answers in due course !

Rightsraptor · 25/05/2022 12:23

Ben must be leading him to some devastating revelation. And we'll all see his lies (DdM)

nauticant · 25/05/2022 12:23

DDM is claiming that he saw no threats, no abuse, no profane language (in the replies to AB's tweet?) which would lend one to believe either he's lying now or his scrutiny at the time was extremely cursory.

WallaceinAnderland · 25/05/2022 12:23

If he didn't read the replies, how does he know whether they were detrimental to GCC?

NancyDrawed · 25/05/2022 12:24

May I suggest Stephen Merchant for DdM

SidewaysOtter · 25/05/2022 12:24

Is DDM’s answer to everything “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember”?

GCC should investigate their water supply, because there’s something that’s causing collective amnesia.

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/05/2022 12:24

Mumsnut · 25/05/2022 11:47

IS IT THE WREN??

Ben's Support Wren will have to wear dark glasses in future to avoid being mobbed by adoring fans wanting an autograph (for what it's worth, s/he can poo on my car any time!)

Pyjamagame · 25/05/2022 12:24

Cripes! 'That is exactly what I am suggesting'

Gabcsika · 25/05/2022 12:24

BC straight up says DDM is lying!!

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 12:24

AH - Are you suggesting DdM was lying to MS?

Signalbox · 25/05/2022 12:25

Ho ho ho "that's exactly what I am putting" (when AH suggests that BC is suggesting that DdM is lying)

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 12:25

Actual team photo from GCC comms team.

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13
WallaceinAnderland · 25/05/2022 12:25

AH asks if BC suggests DDM is lying. BC says not credible that he's not.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 12:25

Penis!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 12:25

Pictures of penises with threats makes DdM laugh.

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 12:25

He just laughed at ‘pictures of penises with threats’.

Is it funny?

ickky · 25/05/2022 12:25

More likely that he wasn't interested in death threats to the turfy barrister.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 12:25

BC 'Did you see pictures with guns? Did you see pictures of penises with threats?'

DdM: No.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 25/05/2022 12:25

"I SAW NOTHING"

yeah right..........

Rightsraptor · 25/05/2022 12:25

@SidewaysOtter the GCC in its entirety is responding 'I don't know' and 'I don't remember'.

SidewaysOtter · 25/05/2022 12:26

Is the incongruity of “I couldn’t look at every reply” and the sheer percentage of replies that were threats and abusive language, lost on him?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 12:26

BC: did you see pictures of penises with threats

DDM No! LOL!

What an absolute berk.

ickky · 25/05/2022 12:26

NancyDrawed · 25/05/2022 12:24

May I suggest Stephen Merchant for DdM

Excellent. This casting lark is a piece of piss. 😀

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