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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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Mmmnotsure · 25/05/2022 14:54

Honestly, what barrister would choose this chambers if this is their director of communications and marketing

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:54

Yay!!!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:54

Anyone else praying for a 'those are all my questions??'

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 25/05/2022 14:55

Raising his eyes to the heavens repeatedly as if hoping to get divine inspiration for SOME kind of answer he can give that won't dig him even deeper into his hole 😂

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:55

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:53

Is it time for HE'S DEAD BEN yet?

🤣

SpindleInTheWind · 25/05/2022 14:55

Bundlephobia · 25/05/2022 14:30

I wonder if at some point way WAAAAY before today, AH took look at all the material and said guys I really think settling is the way forward.

I think they (the clients, and possibly their counsel) were arrogant and thought they could rely on inequality of arms and running down the clock.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:55

Get in! 💃

Gabcsika · 25/05/2022 14:55

Martin's Reuby's back!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:55

Martin Reuby charging in.

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:55

Mr Ruby is asking a question, pay attention.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:55

You go for it Martin!

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 25/05/2022 14:55

AH has got hold of completely the wrong end of the stick over Debbie Hayton. Believing that is DH is a transwoman they would be opposing AB.

His bias was a bit obvious wasn't it

no questions from Stonewall..... interesting....

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:55

Martin! Always cuts through the BS

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:55

Go on MR!

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:55

Geeezeeeer!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:55

Is that MR's dog?

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:56

Good point Martin

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:56

Mr Reuby asking how DDM made a judgement of the twitter profiles.

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tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 14:56

Russ. 😂

FingonTheValiant · 25/05/2022 14:56

Get in there, Martin!

CriticalCondition · 25/05/2022 14:56

Excellent, a question from Mr Reuby...

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 14:56

A (dynamite!) Q from MR...

In your answers to BC, you said about making a decision about Tweets and those Tweeting and their profiles.

How you made a judgement on somebody's profile.
How far did you look into that?

Zeugma · 25/05/2022 14:56

Another excellent intervention from Martin Reuby

Mollyollydolly · 25/05/2022 14:56

Martin Reuby is also a God. Asking how you made a judgement on someone's profile.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:56

AH is interjecting. Doesn't like MR's question.

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