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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:40

So a chamber of barristers are going to respond based on a 'twitter storm'. So if a bunch of far right wing Americans tell them to cancel one of their employees, they'd sent out a tweet that they were under investigation?

They're going to be entirely driven by twitter trolls in how they treat their employees?

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:41

nauticant · 25/05/2022 14:39

BC: Either the "twitter storm" is 7 people or you were intending your reply tweet to be received by a much wider set of people to calm the "twitter storm". Which is it DdM?

Followed by a lot of rehearsed waffle.

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WallaceinAnderland · 25/05/2022 14:41

Er, er, um, I, I, er, the investigation, um, er, er, I

theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:42

Can the EJ tell them to answer the questions? They're clearly doing all they can to avoid answering clear questions.

Pyjamagame · 25/05/2022 14:42

Good luck with the interpretation, Judge.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJG: if i could try and interpret your answer DDM...😂

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 14:42

I love a good “which is it”.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJ - stepping in. Yes or no?

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 14:42

CriticalCondition · 25/05/2022 14:35

Ooh, the twitter handle of an extremely well known TRA lawyer just got a mention.

The fox killer?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJG cutting through his BS again.

Zeugma · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJG steps in. Tries to help. But he’s beyond help, really.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJG is now giving him a multiple choice question so she gets a straight answer.

She isn't.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 14:43

The phrase 'trying to nail a jelly to the wall' comes to mind.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:43

theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:42

Can the EJ tell them to answer the questions? They're clearly doing all they can to avoid answering clear questions.

Ha ha - the EJ obviously psychically attuned to my question.

Appalonia · 25/05/2022 14:43

EJ just intervened. She must be losing the will to live too!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:43

To think we've all logged in for Michelle Brewer and are getting this.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 25/05/2022 14:43

Anyone remember this Day Today sketch? I wish the EJ would find her inner despot and slap a helium order on DDM.

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:43

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:42

EJG is now giving him a multiple choice question so she gets a straight answer.

She isn't.

Don't confuse him with options EJG.

OP posts:
theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:43

You don't try and avoid the questions this much if you're not guilty.

Just sayin'

Signalbox · 25/05/2022 14:44

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 14:42

The fox killer?

The lying lawyer I think.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:44

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:43

To think we've all logged in for Michelle Brewer and are getting this.

I know!

Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 14:44

I think EJG has the measure of this witnesses testimony

StrongOutspokenOftenIrritating · 25/05/2022 14:44

You’re in Comms. Getting things into the press and keeping other stuff out is the crux of your job.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 14:44

BC - You threw the Claimant under the bus.

DdM - I disagree.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:44

Love Ben twisting the Pink News headline to his advantage.

We all know Pink News is part of the mainstream media now.

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