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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

OP posts:
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WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:36

Overthinking the thought process

'did'nt give it much thought then'?

snort

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:36

BC's face 😂

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:36

Clearly DDM got the job by boring the interviewer to sleep and then nipping round the desk and ticking himself as the one that got the job!

OP posts:
Appalonia · 25/05/2022 14:36

Oh God this witness makes me want to slash my wrists!!!!

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 25/05/2022 14:36

DdM- you're overthinking
BC- Are you telling me you didn't give it much thought

nauticant · 25/05/2022 14:36

On twitter when you receive a reply to a tweet of yours, does it appear in your home time line? I have to confess that with my little-used twitter account I rarely look at my home time line.

Beamur · 25/05/2022 14:36

This must be hugely embarrassing for all concerned. The Head of Comms not understanding how Twitter works, yet simultaneously responding to limit damage from a Twitter storm. Somehow implausible.

Tessa84 · 25/05/2022 14:37

He is the responsible for marketing in Chambers and doesn't know how twitter works? I mean.. seriously.

otherbookmarks · 25/05/2022 14:37

Pyjamagame · 25/05/2022 14:35

He's missed his vocation in life as an NHS sleep consultant.

😂

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 14:37

"You're overthinking the thought process we went through..."

Not sure you had a thought process at all tbh

Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 14:37

Surely this guy must be tired of digging by now. He's metres down in that hole!

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 14:38

BC nearly sitting down

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2022 14:38

This must be hugely embarrassing for all concerned. The Head of Comms not understanding how Twitter works, yet simultaneously responding to limit damage from a Twitter storm. Somehow implausible

BC making your exact point!

theemperorhasnoclothes · 25/05/2022 14:38

I've missed a few bits because doing life admin, but he said a little while ago something about the 'values of Garden Court' being clear for all to see.

Yes, we can see that you give zero fucks about the rights of half the population and enjoy bullying women when you're not denying lesbians existence and their definition as same sex attracted.

I am raging on Allison's behalf. Also, my impression is that all the white males at Garden Court come across as intellectually far inferior to Allison.

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 14:39

Look, I'm I'm I'm I'm ... we were clear.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:39

Go on Ben!

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:39

Go BC! Exactly either the Twitter storm was 7 people or the response they did wouldn't help as they think it only went to 7 people

Pyjamagame · 25/05/2022 14:39

'unprecedented' 'hammering' Twitter storm'

This is the rehearsed phrase isn't it?

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:39

Can't have it both ways, Can't be a storm yet also only concerned 7 individuals.
erm erm erm erm

nauticant · 25/05/2022 14:39

BC: Either the "twitter storm" is 7 people or you were intending your reply tweet to be received by a much wider set of people to calm the "twitter storm". Which is it DdM?

katmarie · 25/05/2022 14:39

We were getting hammered on twitter and posted this to calm it dow, BC is so right, you can't have it both ways. Either it was a storm of 7 people, in which case hardly a storm, and hardly needing such measures. Or the tweets were expected to be shared wider, which is a massive breach of AB's confidence.

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 25/05/2022 14:39

He's trying to say it wasn't for the general public, but replies to someone go to all your followers, and either doesn't get that and is clueless, or is lying.

and as BC is pointing out, GCC reps said the tweet was intended to calm a twitter storm, so why was it not supposed to be for the general storming public...

Mollyollydolly · 25/05/2022 14:40

Even Saint Ben sounds irritable. No wonder.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:40

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:36

Clearly DDM got the job by boring the interviewer to sleep and then nipping round the desk and ticking himself as the one that got the job!

😂

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