Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

Very clever of BC.

Tribunal Tweets have 15.2k followers. BC just said they have 30 million impressions.

The sun is shining.

Yes! Nicely played Ben

His eyes are like a lizard, flicking around constantly.

DDM's shifty eyes are making me dizzy. Why can't he look at the camera.

No pressure Judgy!

The discussion has moved away from technical matters and DDM is now trying to spin the nature of GCC's tweeting and that it doesn't follow the trans activism thinking.

It's blinding, gonna need shades.

Just over 300 observers now in this hearing room.

"I think you're overthinking it" from DDM to BC.

As an autistic person, I hate this bloody expression. So patronising and so arrogant to think that one person's amount of thinking is correct and another's is wrong.

Doesn't take a position? If that is the case, why weren't they 'proud' to tweet their link to LGB Alliance via Allison?

DDM saying that the quotation marks indicate it's a quote from the person tagged and not a view from the chambers.

Then proceeds to waffle on for ages showing he's thinking a fair bit himself.

Ah, blame the junior, nice one.

Back to that lovely little comment by BC, mentioned earlier here, to MForstater's employers who said they had been trying to limit reputational damage -
It would be unkind of me to ask you how that went

Sadly, her cognitive powers and eyesight have declined to the point that on some days she struggles to call me from her basic landline phone. I got her one with big buttons that I've pre-programmed with our numbers and put our photos on them and she can manage that.

Now my dad, when he was still with us, tried his best with the new world of technology but I do remember the excruciating and hilarious tech support calls.

Where BC might not be able to go is to say "so why wasn't there any balance by tweeting gender critical views?" because DDM would probably simply be able to say "there was no request to", which might be true, but the underlying reality is that AB or others would know they'd get no support for such material to be sent out.

Wasn't me, must have been a more junior member of the marketing team.

Oh my lord. Tribunal Tweets are tweeting my words right now but don't necessarily agree with me as their corporate position

TT can't take a corporate position mate...

DDM 2016 debate was not toxic. What debate? Women were being silenced and media would not touch GC views.

Wonder if he struggles with the Twitter character limit???

Now that’s what I call a Twitter Storm.

'Now that’s what I call a Twitter Storm.'

😂

And currently we have in the chat room a fine example of a man ( his observer name is a typically male one so I think that a reasonable assumption) essentially telling a woman (Ann Sinnott) to be quiet because she made a point in the chat about the usefulness or otherwise of the 'translation document' on the page number discrepancies.

Exactly. Woman had been silenced. Much nicer for everyone important.

on the tech front my dad has recently discovered emojis. This is a step forward from all caps texting with no punctuation. But perhaps a step back in terms of knowing what he’s trying to say.

So GCC media team happily tweeted about Michelle Brewer and self id, but didn't tweet about AB's landmark launch tweet about LGBA.... Hmm....