Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

Log out, then when you log in make sure your camera and audio is on. When you get in turn them off quickly

100% unbelievable that he is claiming AB told a journalist, "All trans prisoners are rapists!"

Was that before or after she rang for a takeaway of Curried Kitten??

DR - She directs intemperate and sometimes and complete ott allegations of violence.

What absolute bullshit.

DR brings out the old chestnut: 'it's not about her beliefs - it's about her words and her conduct around these beliefs'

Read the OP instructions, make sure the video and mic on the first page are NOT crossed out.

The allegations of intimidation and extremism within the trans rights movement are NOT over the top. They are correct. Stonewall is on the record as calling lesbians sexual racists. That is extremism.

Thank you Ickky - maybe he does have some sense of self reflection then. He's certainly far less angry and aggressive today.

I’ve dialled in as audio only.

I'm getting to the point that I want to march on Parliament with flaming torches. Not entirely what against yet.

Anyone with me?

What do we want?

Not sure. I just have a sinking feeling every time I listen to a certain type of expensively educated man.

When do we want it?

Yesterday.

DR: none of this about beliefs. I do not object to her beliefs but her conduct and expression of the beliefs.
(Not sure how this squares with his comments re AB's apparent views - according to DR - about trans prisoners.)

Beginning to think that DR thought he would get off lightly today due to only being allotted half an hour. Easy to moderate yourself when there's a time limit.

JR objects, BC ignores. 😂

Love that BC is just pushing on with his questions every time JR interjects now. For time I presume. No time for politeness now.

I wonder what the clerks make of DR.

BC finished with Renton.

No re-examination.

BC finished with DR. No cross from JR.

DDM to start after 5 min break.

He goes very mumbling when he’s lying

Nothing from IO/RW...surprise surprise.

Nothing from JR.

Break til 10:24.

"if Allison had X that would have been legitimate"

This is such paternalistic bullshit. I so hope the committee can see through it. DR's evidence is so dishonest.

Next witness:
David de Menezes - Director of Communications & Marketing at Garden Court Chambers (from 2015)
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/clerks-and-staff/david-de-menezes
Role in the case: My understanding is that DDM ran GCC’s Twitter account, and became aware of reaction on Twitter to AB’s tweet about LGB Alliance (the ‘Twitterstorm’); DDM/GCC put out a tweet stating that GCC have nothing to do with LGB Alliance, AND a tweet stating that GCC were investigating AB under their complaints procedure and Bar Standards Board procedures. DDM wrote to Heads of Chambers stating that AB’s views were at odds with GCC’s ‘human rights ethos’.
Bio:
“David is responsible for leading and delivering communications, marketing and event management for over 250 barristers and staff across 12 areas of law at London's largest chambers.
His role includes strategic leadership and direction for chambers’ marketing and communications, client event hospitality, promoting the highly respected Garden Court brand, curating web and news content, managing eight social media channels with 36K+ followers, award submissions and media engagement on high profile cases. We are top ranked by the legal directories and consistently win awards.
To find out more about David's work at Garden Court, check out our Twitter feed twitter.com/gardencourtlaw, news feed www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news and events www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/events.

• BACKGROUND
David has worked in communications, marketing and PR for over 25 years, with a particular emphasis on services to the Bar and legal profession. Prior to joining Garden Court he worked as an independent communications consultant for Hodge Jones & Allen Solicitors.
David has also worked in senior positions for top PR agencies and worked in-house managing communications for sectors spanning government, food and transport. He joined Garden Court Chambers in February 2015. Find out more on LinkedIn."

Good assumption there EJG - IO did indeed have no questions

And RMW not getting the pages right - come on RMW that's your main job!

I'm with you. Not sure what I'd like to achieve, but I'm pissed off enough to set fire to something frankly. And to top it off I just ate the baguette I bought for lunch.

This Does Not Bode Well.

de Menezes next.

Background in marketing and PR and a politics degree from Leeds.

I really didn't like DR's woe is me/poor me demeanour. I don't know if it's just the way he looks or his half closed eyes.