Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

BC getting Alice Sullivan’s absolute demolition of ‘men on the left’ in. Like it.

He seems so stupid. Amazed he went to Oxford.

As an aside, the chat has really settled down with nearly all of the comments being what the function is there for and the deviations rather harmless, for example the LOLing at CC's "fucking hell" yesterday. It's been good to see.

Ha. Haven't caught up with thread but came in here to rage about how he felt violated and vulnerable because someone was disagreeing with him in his space. Maybe he should explain to the fox-killer that loud tutting doesn't always work?

DR squirming as Alice's emailing defending Allison is read out. Like a fish on a hook. Little prick.

This is a GREAT email/letter to DR - telling him how misogynisitc the gender movement is, their tactics, and that he should support and stand by AB (from Prof Alice Sullivan I believe)

He finds it hard to distinguish between two people he’s known for decades because one is called Alice and one is called Allison.

Don’t hire David Renton.

He's finding it hard to distinguish between two women called Alice and Allison. Cos we're pretty much all the same us pesky women aren't we.

I find it so hard to tell the difference between 'Alice' and 'Alison'. They all look the same don't they?

Wow he really missed the point of that email!

Ha. Jinx tabby.

DR thought AB's concerns over her livelihood were exaggerated because he knew better than her about what was going on (I paraphrase)

It's interesting how much he's dialled back his demeanor/body language since last week. I know he couldn't discuss the case with people but presumably he could look at twitter/mumsnet (God forbid) if he wanted to. Maybe he realised how appallingly he came across. Not that what he's actually saying today is any better.

Poor DR, gets a mental block distinguishing between two women because one is Alice and the other Allison and thinks (by his little laugh) that we will understand how difficult this must be for him.

More likely, they are both just women, so...

So he gets muddled between Alice and Allison.

He could easily misinterpret what Allison said on the phone when he was listening in to half of her conversations.

I find it hard to tell the difference between DR, Owen Jones, Fox Killer etc - but that's more to do with their misogyny than anything else

JR objects. BC ignores.

😂

What is it with these men that they can't understand the difference between a specific act and a culture? E.g. rape/rape culture, being fired/a hostile environment

I find it hard to distinguish between beardy woke barristers, actually.

"I was not hostile to the claimant"

I knew her livelihood wouldn’t be harmed.

obviously the fact is was is just coincidence then

David Renton struggles to distinguish between Alice and Allison? But I thought he was known for his attention to detail?

I'm just getting a black screen with the message 'no one is presenting' I've cleared my cache and cookies but still no joy - what's next to try?!

No you are not to look at anything regarding the case while under oath.

How does he know it was Allison on the phone? Perhaps she allowed another woman to use her desk. Interchangeable aren’t we?