Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

I'm so disappointed that i'm going to miss MB tomorrow.

Thank you for posting all the bio's they are very helpful.

It's all so depressing and I am only reading the posts.

So presumably David de Menezes can't claim to be unfamiliar with Twitter?

Links to witness statements coming up in chat room now, get them while they're hot (and work.)

DR is an employment lawyer: he must understand and, indeed, use similar distinctions in the course of his day to day work.

bless you

I would hope so!

Complete rubbish that Renton didn’t object to AB’s beliefs. He objected to her tweet: ‘#TheyCallMeTerf because I believe that under no circumstances should any sex offender or violent man be allowed to legally transition and call himself a woman and gain access to women sex segregated spaces.’

The only way anyone could find that objectionable is if they object to a position that says males who transition still aren’t women.

Look at DR's witness statement. At hte bottom of page 2 is a tweet from Allison starting #theycallmeaterf. Do you think this is what he's misinterpreting as calling all trans prisoners are rapists? God he's a stupid little man. So much for Eton and Oxford.

Qu from a BBC journalist re timetable.

Oh DdM does not look like I imagined!

There will be oral submissions on 20 June.

Yes this 100%.

He's so used - as a privileged white male - to the world revolving around him and giving him everything he wants he simply makes things up when reality is different.

31 million Twitter impressions for Tribunal Tweets in this case.

none of this about beliefs. I do not object to her beliefs but her conduct and expression of the beliefs.

Maya's former employer tried this line in her tribunal, didn't they? It's the "hysterical woman getting angry" trope again. With an added dollop of racist stereotype in Allison's case.

Well at least he hasn't denied any knowledge of Twitter. That's a promising start. The bar is low admittedly.

Ah general Twitter use - let's see if he knows anything

And as was said in Maya F's case - there are no possible ways MF could have expressed her beliefs that you would not find objectionable

I just don’t believe that no one in chambers was discussing this together, despite the hoo-hah being in the papers, the Twitter storm and the hammering they thought their reputation was taking as achingly right on lawyers.

The quality of the understanding of twitter has improved considerably.

AH and EJ say that they cannot understand the new-fangled magic talk.

Oh dear. Two of the three ET panel members don't use Twitter and one uses it rarely.

So BC now having to explain how Twitter works. Which is pretty crucial. They should have had a Twitter expert witness.

I don't know about Stonewall training, these legal bods need social media awareness training!

FFS BC has to explain twitter now. smh

He’s so cagey