Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

DR: "I may have confused it with another note"

How many notes has he been making?

In the mid 90s I shared an office with some one who is now a famous contrarian (gets retweeted for lols quite a lot). - Their conversations were often painful to listen to but we either zoned out or went to the kitchen for coffee

I hope Ricky Gervais is watching this. The material will write itself.

He's very clever at just saying what they say and highlighting the utter absurdity.

He took a note immediately after this conversation because he's an employment lawyer and he's always saying to witnesses why didn't you take a note.
Indeed.

‘OK, but he walked in when she was on the phone - he could have left.’

It’s his workplace, he should be able to use it. But her views on prisons would (in my opinion) win the support of 95% of the population and are entirely ordinary.

Is EJG taking everything down verbatim? She must be doing shorthand?

DR says he can't remember which note it was.

EJ: What did you say? ANOTHER NOTE? /writes it down/

This is why boys should be educated at a mixed comprehensive rather than a private boys school.

I thought JR had fallen asleep then. Wouldn't have blamed her!

Outrageously hostile behaviour.

Did he just admit looking at social media?????

BC - You have told the Tribunal outrageously hostile behaviour and inventing facts about them which are not true.

He's maintaining he didn't share the actual note with anyone but he sent an email 'characterising' her phone call to MB rather hyperbolically (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to copy the relevant sentence from his WS here but it involves AB supposedly 'insisting' things he seems to have understood her to say but which are very unlikely)

I'm finding this really hard to watch

He did - to 'your supporters' on social media using the phrase 'reporting' with ref to Allison's convo.

Thinking back to his "resisting Forstater" blog post where he misrepresented Maya's position, I think DR hears what he wants to hear, or hears it through a filter of his own strong feelings (in this case pissed off because he wanted some peace and quiet and Allison had the temerity to be already on the phone when he arrived) and thought AB said something different from what he said. He 100 % believes his position and testimony and as far as his concerned he is telling the entire truth.

"that's an unfortunate thing to have gone through"

what? listening to a phone conversation you find distasteful. Compared with what Allison's been through. Careful, weasel, your privilege is showing.

"I'm an employment lawyer" "I always say to people 'why didn't you take a note'" "It was a private note for my own personal use"

Somewhat contradictory.

He was at university with Professor Alice Sullivan.

Sorry that was to @ickky

Maybe we should give him a wave?

Who is the professor they are talking about? Missed the name

Oh, cross posted. thanks

Alice Sullivan. She's GC feminist

Alice has got DR bang to rights!