Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

So many times in about 20 minutes I've laughed out loud or pffffft'd at the screen.

Definitely one conversation and I started typing immediately afterwards.

Oh no.... now I'm challenged it was two conversations and definitely noted immediately afterwards.

Hmmmm......

Is anyone else getting and pop ups for South Africa tourism.

Amazing how the algorithm works!

Am I looking at Jon Ronson in 10-20 years' time?

He also thinks he's the cleverest person in the room.

If Allison had told a journalist that all trans prisoners are rapists it would have been all over the papers. She didn’t say it

I don't have views on the general nature of her political work.

I sort of understand where he’s coming from. I wouldn’t appreciate someone having a conversation in my office about their personal political views if those views were egregiously offensive to me.

The problem is that he’s taken an extreme stance on what is offensive.

Am I looking at Jon Ronson in 10-20 years' time?

I would have thought they're about the same age, but good call!

Occasionally she crosses the boundary and says things that are offensive or hurtful

DR - She sometimes crosses the boundaries and I wish she wouldn't do that.

I think I hate this man.

It's her word again this on this point but he's clearly very biased so who do we think we believe and who does EJG believe?

He's lying. No GC woman would that. Thick or lying. But I say lying. What a little morally bankrupt weasel he is.

I’m audio only as I can’t get video up.

He’s an employment lawyer?

Smug little chuckles from DR...🤨

Who’d share a room with him after this? Little mole.

He's an employment lawyer so felt it appropriate to take a note of their conversation. It was a private note of their conversation that he didn't attend to use.

OK, but he walked in when she was on the phone - he could have left.

On the other hand it sounds as if AB, a survivor of CSA and a woman with health problems, had the choice of mixed sex toilets in her place of work or not peeing all day (which is of course the choice that most girls in school make when faced with 'gender neutral' toilets)

There is an Ian Hislop in the room. Wonder if it's the real one.

Glorious sunlight.

Has he ever taken notes about the views of other colleagues?

BC - You were keeping an eye on AB and were building up a case about her.

It's the classic interaction with a trans activist isn't it?

GC feminist: Male bodied rapists shouldn't be in the female estate.
TRA: Saying that all TW are rapists is transphobic you bigot.

Yes and also he's lying. Don't believe a word he says.

He's surprised that anyone sees anything controversial about this (making a note of a private conversation)