Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

Can we ask the journalist?

Male privilege in action

WAH WAH WAH I had to listen into a women having opinions against my consent

Suck it up bitches, you have no right to single sex spaces, privacy, dignity or safety.

Absolutely!

Someone has signed in as Hislop Ian. I mean I know it could be Barry from Cardiff but...

A 'Mr Cooper' for the Bingo card.

DR trying to describe the layout of the office. Obviously needs a diagram in parking thread spirit!

DR: I didn't think my colleague should be saying this is a small room, v close to me. She was forcing me to be there while she said this.

He is absolutely definite what about what she said - when DR asked her about it later on she said it again.

Now arguing about the size of the room and if DR can reach both his and AB's desks at the same time...

Typical TRA misrepresenting what has been said.

Bits of Twitter erupted after 100's retweeted Tribunal Tweets...then Martina N. Those with access, can you tell how many are logged in this morning?

This is massive publicity for GCC, but not in a good way. The saner barristers must be absolutely furious. Poor poor AB.

Thank you to all listeners/summarisers.

Hurrah, I'm in.

I can't believe for a moment that AB (or any GC women) would say that. In fact I can well imagine us refuting that with 'I'm not for a moment saying all trans prisoners are rapists.'

To DR I suspect it would be reasonable to trim that to 'all trans prisoners are rapists.'

EJG is very conscious of the time and wants BC to hurry up.

EJ pointing out that the relevant point is whether there was a commonly held view in Chambers that AB was a bigot etc and the fact that DR believed her to be discourteous/ had hostility about AB being on the phone and/or about her views.

EJG - "Clearly a hostility about a lack of courtesy"

Welcome, @WomensLandArmy . Hope you've got some support sustenance.

DR - I didn't want to hear it because i'd just finished a big case and was tired.

"She was making me hear them"

He sounds like a wounded child.

I'd estimate it as around 200 at the moment Madcats, although I'd expect that to rise as we get more into the day.

She made me do it. She was making me hear her conversation. My god he sees women as sub-human doesn't he?

Obviously DR would accept other political views, but he didn’t want to hear AB’s political views because of the nature of those views.

So yes, he objected to her views, not just to her level of courtesy in taking any call.

I think there are around 250 in the room I am in, but there are 2 rooms.

She made me hear it! Waaaah!

He's getting indignant again. What a plum.

He really does take the view that everything a woman does is about him, doesn’t he. Me. Me. Me.

I don't quite understand why DR is pushing the point that he didn't want to have to hear the phone call and he thought AB discourteous to take it in the room. Surely it's the content and/or how he mis/understood it that is relevant?