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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 12:57

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

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Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 15:50

Coatandhat · 10/02/2025 15:49

He's changed the position he's sitting in now for answering NC's questions. Anyone else read it as more confrontational?

He's totally forgotten he's supposed to answer to the judge

myplace · 10/02/2025 15:50

OOOOOMMMMMGGGG the language!

nauticant · 10/02/2025 15:50

Upton now saying that NC has to use language in the ways he demands.

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ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 15:50

He is heckling NC

Gallstoned · 10/02/2025 15:51

Omfg! I just can’t take any more!!!

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 15:51

Heckles?

CriticalCondition · 10/02/2025 15:51

Woah, he's insisting on NC using 'cis'.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/02/2025 15:51

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 15:45

I still don't get how she's supposed to have ' harassed ' him?

By not prostrating herself at his feet.

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 15:51

He's literally telling on himself!

My blood is boiling now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 15:51

We aren't going to start using "cis". It's nonsensical jargon.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 15:51

Fuck off with the compelled speech

desiringtoremainsane · 10/02/2025 15:51

He cant help himself here, explaining how it all should work. But I dont think this helps him. He's policing her language. It shows how insufferable he is and how unwilling he is to budge on anything.

mzdemeanour · 10/02/2025 15:51

Now a lecture on clarity and unclear language

myplace · 10/02/2025 15:51

Language is important!! The fucking cheek!

eatfigs · 10/02/2025 15:51

Now he's pretending not to understand.

RavenT · 10/02/2025 15:51

Fuck off with your cis. 🤬

ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 15:51

"Clarity is important" Fuckin Hell

Taytoface · 10/02/2025 15:51

OHHH FFS YOU CONDESCENDING M* F**

OvaHere · 10/02/2025 15:51

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/02/2025 15:49

I'm v glad Upton is respondent, not just Fife NHS. It might be possible to convince someone TWAW in the abstract, but seeing an actual TW like Upton in the flesh ,stating he is biologically female is a lot harder to believe.

At least now we have a court record for all the people who like to claim 'nobody in real life believes/says this'

Yes they do and it has real life effects.

CheekySnake · 10/02/2025 15:52

I hope NC does give him clarity and clear language with both barrels.

eulittleb831 · 10/02/2025 15:52

he ie staying to bully people to use TA terminology, its a trap
What a turd.

Brainworm · 10/02/2025 15:52

The irony- DU stating the need for clear language!

Taytoface · 10/02/2025 15:52

Blood literally boiling.

Cheeseburger27 · 10/02/2025 15:52

BU to NC ‘The way you use language is deliberately misleading’

OMG he’s lecturing NC on how important language is.

NC is talking about women
BU ‘cis’ women

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 15:52

So he won't participate in the cross examination unless they use genderist terms.

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