NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

Just in case people might be interested in supporting other women facing a nightmare Employment Tribunal, there's also Sarah Holdman who was Harassed and Victimised for supporting Women’s Rights. You can find her crowdfunder by searching on those terms.

If you would like to show appreciation to the Peggie family, have a look at this page, set up in memory of Sandie Peggie's dad: https://alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com/

For anyone following Tribunal Tweets, this is their list of the abbreviations used:

C/SP - Claimant, Sandy Peggie
NC - Naomi Cunningham, C’s barrister
MG - Margaret Gribbons, C’s solicitor
R1/Board - first respondent, Fife Health Board
R2/DU - second respondent, Dr B Upton
JR - Jane Russell, KC, barrister for Rs
AW - Adam Watson, solicitor for Rs
J - Employment Judge Alexander Kemp
ET - Employment Tribunal
P1, P2 - additional panel members
CR - changing room
AE - Accident & emergency department
B&H - bullying and harassment
SocMed - social media
SM - Sex Matters
HR - Human Rights
TW - Transwoman
HI - hate incident
PCP - provision, criteria or practice is a rule/policy/ practice that can put ppl at a disadvantage based on certain characteristics. The term is used in employment law to assess whether an employers actions create different outcomes for employees based on their characteristics.
KS - Kate Searle, DU's supervisor and A&E consultant
ED - Esther Davidson, SP’s line manager
SF - Stuart Fraser, SP’s RCN Rep
AG - Angela Glancy, headed up SP's investigation
IX - investigation
CX or FC - (formal) complaint
DX - disciplinary
FtP - fitness to practice

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried. This male doctor is stating that he is a biological female.
Heaven help us all. How did he pass med school?! Does it have proper accreditation or is it some kind of clown college he attended?

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He's absolutely loving the power and control. The woman that is at the fallout of that doesn't matter. He's getting his buzz.

I like doing it, no one can stop me.

Break for lunch back at 2pm

Jesus, I'm getting no work done. Thank you all for your hard work typing out this insanity.

He's telling his own story of the emperor's new clothes

A new thread already, that other one filled up quickly. Thanks everyone!

Thanks Ikky, was just about to ask when we resume.

Why has making comparisons become so problematic?
The 2+2=5 is a perfect comparison to TWAW. Women are being forced to pretend that TWAW or risk their employment. it's obviously not a torture situation but it is "do as I say or pay the consequences".

Second half of this mornings tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1888926020603986197.html

A question from a non-parent: do you need a doctor to specify whether your child is a boy or a girl when you register the birth?

Thank you so much Nauticant, you are a star!

Did the judge just disallow the question about 1984??

Thanks, nauticant. I’ve missed a whole thread! 😱 Frantically trying to catch up on TT ready for the post-lunch session.

I can't keep up!

Fastest threads ever thanks @nauticant

I don't know why the J doesn't ask DU to tell the truth. If he's a 'trans'woman then he's not female - so he's a man in common parlance. If he really thinks he's a woman then he's not part of the trans community is he?

It has no logic.

I wouldn't want this man prescribing or diagnosing for me.

No. He said let's have lunch and come back to it.

Loved the 1984 question.

And I felt there was enough of a pause after it to indicate it sinking in with people just how accurate an analogy it was.

"It's her capitulation you sought isn't it?

Beautiful. This ties in with NHS Fife disciplinary against her. They too sought her capitulation with similar bullying tactics.

Definitely need to go to work now. Sad emoji face… or is that a disappointed one?

Didn't JR dismiss the idea that Transwomen are Men as a political or religious belief and heavy emphasis on personal beliefs shouldn't drive behaviour at work when she was questioning SP?

I also wondered this.