NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

"Who ignored SP and why?"

I might have this mixed up but was there some mention early on that her 1st approach to her line manager to raise the issue involved that person seeking advice or clarity, and possibly the EDI 'person' getting involved/feeding into whatever the trust's adopted position was? What happened, who made the decision, how that was reached etc. hasn't been clear so far from what I've heard/read, but I've not been able to keep up as much so might have missed that.

The key is absolutely how the trust dealt with her 1st raising the issue & who was involved in that process. The fact they left her dangling, with no response or advice on the concerns she raised, is a massive fail.

Obviously, employing a TRA doctor keen to expose transphobes & with a huge sense of entitlement, was another fail.

I have really struggled to listen to him today. The lies, compounded with smugness, told in a way that it is almost impossible to prove that they're lies, the refusal to actually answer any of the questions, the refusal to empathise with women and insisting that he can't possibly infer what other people's preferences/feelings might be whilst repeatedly accusing SP of hostility when all she did was leave the room without saying a word, the recruiting of others, making sure that they were on his side before he escalated things.

I grew up with a violent, coercively controlling father, and this is how he used to operate.

'Just wanted to pee!' bingo

So why did he change his clothes in the 'bathroom' ? ??
By which I presume he means cubicle.

See, I don’t think many women say “pee”.

Why is he so keen to tell everyone he wees at work. Why not just say use the toilet.

Ah so the question of what DU was wearing was not in his account until much later in the process.

Of course he does. And the nurses know to keep their mouths shut now, after seeing SP crucified.

TMI about pee habits

I am sure he knows exactly what sex the people are in front of him. He won't lose his job over that.

It is only essential that they do not know, or can no longer articulate, what sex he is. So that he can do what he wants.

I could say something about him going to the loo only after he's undressed in the women's changing room. But I won't.

Yes, but laydeez do.

I wish no one would say biological in this context tbh. It just gives credence to the idea that there is any other kind of man and woman, any other meaning to male and female. Unfortunately however the GRA and concept of 'legal sex' has landed us in this mess.

The only person I know who says pee is my dad.

QED.

I'm in and laughing at "wall of sad"

Court is not a place I'd use sarcasm.

DU is unravelling a bit. Leg swinging and getting snappy.

He's sneering now.

'never considered that at all' you don't say

He thinks he is so smart and the cleverest person in the room. Probably the cleverest person in any room. And his parents should be ashamed of the absolute little shit they raised to ignore the feelings and respect of others

He's never considered menstruation because he's not a woman. What about manstruation?

Not in the habit of thinking about my colleagues menstrual habits

That's cos your a bloke, women all know these things happen and that it could be one of the many reasons a woman wants some privacy in the middle of a shift.

I wish she'd said, you've never consider a menstrual flood because you've never had a period, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A WOMAN!

She is putting things in place slowly, brick by brick.

She knows what she is doing and where she will end up. It may not all make immediate sense today, but she still has the Employer side to question yet etc.
I think it is going ok so far for SP.

It will all come together eventually in a final submission.

It doesn't seem unlikely to me that the two of them could genuinely have different memories of this occasion; I wouldn't like to put money on whose memory was correct. I hope SP's memory is correct.