Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

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The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

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Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

Off topic but while we are here, was it in Allison’s or Maya’s case that someone (who?) said (was quoted as saying?) something like if you don’t have a gender identity you’re basically a corpse?
That has really stuck with me (but obviously none of the details have).

Counting down the minutes. I’m so grateful to AB for bringing this case, no matter how it goes. Sunlight.

Thank you Allison.

Allison's - it was Kirrin Medcalf.

<paces floor>

<checks time again >

<sighs heavily>

Thanks Hadrosaurus!

Loving your username @Emotionalsupportviper

I have an emotional support baby woodpigeon outside my window. It is ridiculously cute.

Maya has summarised the crux of the matter (look for her on Twitter about 4 hours ago, if you would prefer not to click the link):
docs.google.com/document/d/1VApEACNWvNkXz_eYa_TlJYR6X77k_w04XnwnmX47ceI/edit#

I really hope that Allison wins today

Judge Goodman is very experienced and her approach to running the hearing was characterised by efficiency and proper use of valuable time. I am sure this approach has extended to writing the judgment before the summer break while the evidence and arguments were still fresh in her mind.

<Re-crosses fingers and resumes vigorous distraction activities for the next half hour😬 >

No, it was definitely Maya's ET. It was Luke Easley, CGD's VP of HR, who said "identity is reality — without identity there’s just a corpse.”

This, all morning

Aaaw! Bless! 😍

I am a sucker for baby anything to be honest.

20 minutes

My oven hasn't been so sparkly and clean since it was delivered.

Having another " work from home " day, anxiously eating my way through the contents of the treat cupboard. Best of luck to Allison.

Aaarrrggghhhh.

I'm in a work meeting and am refreshing Allison's Twitter. Will that be the first place to find out?

I ought to be cleaning the house for house guests.

( I am, sort of).

12 mins.

@Legospider That was indeed Maya's as others have said

You may have been thinking of the other classic one in Allison's - "Bodies are not inherently male or female..they are just their bodies"

10 minutes

I'm not even on Twitter but I am on Allison's twitter waiting.....

7 mins

Thank you - yes, I remember laughing out loud with DH at that one, both glued to it when he was supposed to be at work. (DH who once told me I was on the wrong side of history. Peaked by stonewall.)

So most of us are corpses then? Is this like a Christian saying I'm dead if I don't agree I have a soul (never heard a Christian say this by the way). Kirrin really doesn't seem to grasp what a belief is.

Sorry just seen this after I posted.

2 minutes

Can't stand this. 1 minute.