Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

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The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

Owen Jones also dismissed everything apart from the stonewall part of the judgement as 'just noise'. Yep the bit where a black lesbian was found to have been discriminated against by her Chambers is 'just noise'

it also blames Allison's lawyers for the dismal state of the bundle!

From Allison on Twitter:

Clarification: the criticism in the judgement about the poor state of the trial bundle is a criticism about Garden Court Chambers. They were responsible for the trial bundle.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1552290571032707072?cxt=HHwWgIC-qZmD7IorAAAA

I thought that 'A Mere Solicitor' was one of our pals who has frequented these parts before, likes golf and is friends with a certain Doctor? I don't know though, I just always thought that.

Congratulations on your glorious victory. 'Our legal advice is wrong and discriminatory and you follow it at your risk' doesn't sound like the greatest win for SW from where I'm standing.

I bet the clerks aren’t just talking about football this morning.

I am not convinced that account is from a real solicitor.

I thought it was a protected term?

So is it right that GCC followed advice from Stonewall, this caused them to lose the case against Allison, and now Stonewall are saying 'nowt to do with us, you didn't have to follow our advice, you chose to'....?

Hilarious!!!

And also despite various people holding various roles in Stonewall, the organisation seemed quite prepared to sell them down the river, getting them to say they were not reflecting SW views.
interested to see that a certain A.Drummond is variously him/her.

Quoi? I have been hidden for posting a link that I suggested might have been tricky to Google.

Oh, the humanity...

That's Owen for you, he is a misogynistic through and through. He doesn't actively hate women I don't think, he just doesn't see them as real people, with needs and desires of their own, who should be listened to.

They are mere 'noise' to him

I thought that 'A Mere Solicitor' was one of our pals who has frequented these parts before, likes golf and is friends with a certain Doctor? I don't know though, I just always thought that.

The person I think you're thinking of is a lawyer, not a solicitor, I think.

I am not convinced that account is from a real solicitor.

You'd think a real journalist would be a bit cautious about spreading misinformation from frauds who are misrepresenting themselves.

oh wait lol.

Just catching up. Congrats Allison!
For anyone with any stake in SW advising any employer, this was a great outcome in terms of forcing them to say that essentially SW's advice should be taken with a very hard subjective look indeed....

Off to read the judgement/summary. Already enjoyed the bits about the bundle which sounds AMAZING....!

I thinking winning against SW would've been a very high bar. The fact they said 'I trust you'll do the right thing re the terfy barrister' makes it seem obvious they were influencing GCC, but I guess they'd need to have some kind of written evidence that they actually said 'I trust you'll do the right thing, ^otherwise we'll do X, Y and Z to you' - even though the latter was surely implied - to have won that one.

The word solicitor can only be used by solicitors (as along with barrister, nurse, doctor etc it is a protected term). Lawyer is not a protected term. I do not know who has used a "Mere Solicitor" and if they are one however.

Although last night's game was a corker

It might be, but that won't stop an anonymous person claiming it on Twitter.

@TullyApplebottom "Never act on the basis of advice from someone who can’t be sued for getting it wrong is a pretty good rule of thumb."

Very apt. Anyone tempted to pay SW should look at the support SW gave GCC in this tribunal. One very anxious person (and the support team) going all opinions were my own and nowt to do with SW.

And yet here you are

If you're so uninterested, why are you posting in a thread about it?
Can you really not understand that many women are interested in our legal rights being threatened? Is that so hard to understand?

Who oh why do people bang on and on about all of this trans stuff?!I just don’t get it!what’s so interesting or exciting about it?

Please go to a different thread to do this routine! People are celebrating on this one.

The disco glitter ball / grenade also works as a grey rock emoji.

Nothing @Quitelikeit

I'm just here for the beer, myself.

<rolls eyes>

Who oh why do people bang on and on about all of this trans stuff?!I just don’t get it!what’s so interesting or exciting about it?

Nothing. Most of us just want our free speech rights back.