Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Two things that pretty much guarantee a deletion:

1. The 3 letter acronym that can be a motivation for some men to transition, which is at odds with the 'innate gender identity' narrative
2. Suggesting that there could be any kind of coordinated approach to attacks on child safeguarding

Always zapped within minutes, thanks to targeted reports from external non-MN users who circle the board like sharks scenting blood. They add nothing to the MN user experience, they hate what MN stands for, yet they know how to game the system and activate the mods on their behalf.

Why is it so imperative to those external monitors that any suggestion of certain motives be deleted instantly? 🤔

We're famous! <curtseys>

And thank you to @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus for re-linking to the IT thread which is up there (well, not there) with the Hedgehog Bum Sex thread.

However, I can't believe we've had this many pages about biscuits and no-one has mentioned Lotus biscuits?

external non-MN users who circle the board like sharks scenting blood

I'm fairly sure someone I used to be friends with is one of them. He spends a LOT of time ranting angrily on the internet at anyone who doesn't share his views, is such a left-wing extremist he makes LOJ sound reasonable and thinks all MNers are "evil terfs"

<waves to the monitors>

sideways otter - great name
this is my mental image of an otter reclining (after too much toast?)

bengalcats.co/bengal-cat-otter-friendship/

Honestly MNHQ really need to have a hard look at themselves.

When you're banning someone as knowledgeable about safeguarding as LangCleg and responding to people complaining about posts about safeguarding by deleting them it's not a good look.

Let's not let the women talk about keeping kids safe just in case the men feel bad!

It's Mumsnet ffs.

If what we're talking about is wrong, come on and explain why, with evidence.

That's free debate.

Deletions just make it look like we're right

Pie is too carby for me unfortunately - even worse than biscuits.

That's tremendous. I guess they must have grown up together.

up there (well, not there) with the Hedgehog Bum Sex thread.

Complete with poetry (but the whole thread is worth a read if you long for levity and an insight into life as it is lived in some hedgerows):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/3288349-people-keep-having-sex-in-my-hedge?page=20&reply=78974234

Hoorah!!!

<cheers>

<puts up Ben/Wren bunting>

<lays in plenteous stock of gin and crisps>

There are some things i don't need to try to know that this would be my reaction . . .

incest . . . licking draincovers . . . drinking fishtank water . . .

and dunking Bourbons and Custard Creams can be added to that list

This.

Stuff gets deleted for the least of reasons, presumably because someone doesn't like truth being spoken.

99/100 there is nothing rude or offensive in the post - it has merely refused to comply with compelled speech or called out an untruth.

I feel I should clarify - please don't dunk bourbons AND custard creams into the same cup of tea.

Late to the party but one of the benefits of European travel is access to the black cherry/white chocolate Pim Lu, our Jaffa Cake’s exotic European relative.

Righto. Back to lurking on these threads, trailing days behind the leading pack, and keeping my fingers crossed for Allison.

This is certainly my facial expression most of the time…

Time for a name change, StraightonOtter?

Oops, meant to add that it's a cute photo.

I've found a tweet just for you SidewaysOtter - although I do fear it may offend as it does place some doubt on your actual existence...

Link to tweet

"I tell people I don't believe in otters, and that they are just wet cats. Has become legend. Went to a zoo once; was dragged to the otter mound to have their existence proven. No otters. Vindicated."

Dunking Bourbon biscuits into tea is up there with WBH.

@GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder

A wet cat indeed! I'll have you know that we otters are a noble creature with advanced swimming skills that makes us far more elegant than your average moggy. Did I mention that we build our own homes? <huffs>

Time for a name change, StraightonOtter?

Oh, and can I just point out that nothing, but nothing should be dunked in any hot drink, least of all tea (all that tanniny horribleness with the abomination that is milk). Just think of all those soggy crumbs!

<runs screaming from room>

What?????? You've never licked a draincover?

shakes head in bewilderment!

Wanders off to the back yard to carry out my nightly hour of worship to the drain god.

It plays havoc on the knees mind!

This was the thread where we were talking about jaffa cakes earlier, wasn't it?
A former Bake-Off winner has broken the record for the world's largest jaffa cake.
And to make this message vaguely back on topic, I've decided it was time for a name-change, and so have picked one inspired by the case.

This was the thread where we were talking about jaffa cakes earlier, wasn't it?
It was. "Great British Bake Off winner Frances Quinn makes giant Jaffa Cake" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61638168

How BIG?!

Do m&s still sell rectangular jaffa cakes.

Autocorrect wanted to go with rectal