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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:01

We're back in the room!

CriticalCondition · 25/05/2022 14:01

UCL have been great on this issue. Liz Davies' alma mater as it happens.

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:02

Is there a Ravinder here? If so, your video is on, but obscured.

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WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:02

Hochy can't log in

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:03

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:02

Hochy can't log in

FGS.

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WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:03

Waiting on Hoch to log in

Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 14:03

And AH holding things up AGAIN

Scorched · 25/05/2022 14:03

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 13:47

Poor IO will now have to question DdM in cross to try to come back from this. Or maybe not stonewalls team don't seem to be doing much for their fee

I think stonewall will let GCC hang them selves. All stonewall need to do is convince EJ that they providing advice, not instructions
although the Stonewall scheme appears to be very controlling to me

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:03

Everyone staring blankly into middle distance, awks

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:03

Looking at the list of witness statements reminds me of all the GCC people we've had the joy of hearing from

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:04

Well this is awkward!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 14:05

Scorched · 25/05/2022 14:03

I think stonewall will let GCC hang them selves. All stonewall need to do is convince EJ that they providing advice, not instructions
although the Stonewall scheme appears to be very controlling to me

Hopefully this will at least prove to other companies that getting involved with Stonewall is a Really Bad Idea.

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:06

Muted Hochy, hurrah

Mmmnotsure · 25/05/2022 14:06

Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 12:42

@ifIwerenotanandroid ha! No time for that this week. Shop bought! Just wanted to show that a photo does stand out from text comments!

Point nicely made, @Boiledbeetle

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:06

Knock three times Mr Hochhauser

Switch it off and turn it back on again

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 14:08

I'm having some support wotsits. They're not as nice as I remember them.

TheClitterati · 25/05/2022 14:08

why is IO contantly "they'ing" AH?

he hasn't put they/them pronouns in his name - or have I missed something?

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:08

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:06

Knock three times Mr Hochhauser

Switch it off and turn it back on again

Is anybody there, said in a trembly voice.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 25/05/2022 14:08

Breathless placemark

Chrysanthemum5 · 25/05/2022 14:09

Things I know about GCC as a result of this tribunal (apart from the facts that they are very busy; don't use Twitter; can't do anything else when they travel; and 1.38am is a bad time)

1- as well as misogynistic behaviour they also are quite classist - only talking to the clerks about football. I assume they imagine that those working class people are only interested in the rougher ball games

2 - even their communication specialist, who identified the Twitter storm, can't use Twitter

3 - they appear to not be the source for 'The Split' where all legal people are fully aware of the details of their cases, wear beautiful clothes, and are very intelligent

Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 14:10

Penny drops moment

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 14:10

What is that noise?

Signalbox · 25/05/2022 14:10

TheClitterati · 25/05/2022 14:08

why is IO contantly "they'ing" AH?

he hasn't put they/them pronouns in his name - or have I missed something?

Isn't it the new way to "they/them" anyone who doesn't display "their" pronouns? So as not to inadvertently misgender people.

ickky · 25/05/2022 14:10

BC to DDM: you had not considered the possibility that sending GCC tweet would generate criticism.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 14:11

Oh he's insufferable. Again, how is this man Director of Communications at a (once) prestigious Chambers??

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