Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

I feel your pain. We've just recovered from one of these - which is going around DD2s school like wildfire. I would suggest lots and lots of support TV (which hopefully means you can listen in while they're watching). Pretzels always seemed to help too, when they could face food again. Flat lemonade also good.

First day I can actually log in to procedures but don’t have access link yet. I only requested it 3 hours ago so have I left it too late?

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IANAL but am regularly involved in Advisory Board meetings in my profession. They consume weeks in preparation, I coach participants in active listening and reflective questioning skills as sometimes the subject matter can get contentious and we need it to be constructive (invite to the next training session extended to TW). And after all that they last two hours max. So my admiration goes to all the professionals involved. Apart from the bundle issues. I do a smaller scale version (several hundred pages) for our meeting and there’s plenty of document management software and other tools available, so no excuses there.

On another layer, doing it all of this and in addition having the subject your own and your colleagues actions, making office politics public, and then the awareness of what it must have been like actually living through it. I read Allison’s witness statement. I think she’s a remarkable woman and my admiration only grows daily.

I am in meetings all day and I AM NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT.

Yeah... We will be watching that meeting won't we????

First witness today (I believe) - picking up from his testimony last week:
David Renton - barrister, Garden Court Chambers
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/david-renton/sao
And DR has his own Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Renton
Role in the case: My understanding is that DR was AB’s office roommate (for c10 years), and reported the contents of her telephone conversations to others in the chambers (eg AB’s ‘view' that transwomen are ‘male-bodied’ and should therefore not be in women’s prisons), as he felt they did not fit with ‘chambers values’. On the advice of Mr Lue (another barrister at GCC), DR emailed Michelle Brewer (barrister at GCC at the time) with his concerns about AB’s views.
Bio:
“David Renton specialises in housing, discrimination and employment law. He acts for vulnerable tenants in disrepair possession hearings, and for employees, principally in cases of ordinary or trade union discrimination.
Before being called to the bar, David was an author and historian and subsequently an official of the academics' and lecturers' union UCU specialising in equality law. He now represents clients who are vulnerable, whether through illness, disability or addiction, and has been on the EHRC's [Equality and Human Rights Commission’s] panel of approved counsel.”
"Willing to go the extra mile for the client and argue complex legal points." -LEGAL 500, 2022 (EMPLOYMENT)
"Great attention to detail and appreciation of the nuances of each individual and case." -LEGAL 500, 2021 (EMPLOYMENT)
"Very competent and knowledgeable as well as very committed." -LEGAL 500, 2020
"He has excellent attention to detail and thoroughly analyses the case." -LEGAL 500, 2019
"An up-and-coming junior, who is very thorough and pleasant." [‘pleasant’ - cough cough] -LEGAL 500, 2017

What’s the twitter response to yesterdays insights?

interestingly no recent updates in the news papers.

I got a 'message blocked' automatic reply. Anyone know why?

Thanks

They sent it pretty much straight away on Monday but it went into my spam so I didn't realise.

I got a holding response which had gone into my spam folder. Said y request would receive prompt attention. I beg to differ, it's been over an hour now...

Pulling chair up for today proceedings… this is gripping stuff

I am out practically all day, gutted

I have to say, it must be really weird for the QCs and Clerks to be on the other side of the witness box. It really has been quite fascinating to watch. In a way, it really is a shame this isn't being recorded for those studying law at university.

Ok, here we go

The non-downloadable hearing bundle seems to be functional. Which I'm hoping bodes well for MB's witness statement.

It's started, EJ has said there will be 2 hearing rooms, didn't say why. Maybe at capacity?

DR to start.

Waaa?? Michelle and Stephanie both tomorrow now!

Oh no! Michelle Brewer tomorrow now. I can't watch tomorrow.

MB has been moved to tomorrow along with SH. They start at 9.00am.

DAMMIT. I have to work tomorrow morning.

Isn't MB is today now?

<<guiltily pleased>>

Oh OK she's been moved again.

So today DR, DDM, C.Cronin(sp?) and someone else I think?

Are you allowed to send the access pin to us, or are they unique to each user? (NOT techy minded her, but do understand Twiiter)