Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

He was so angry he was on the point of saying bullshit or similar. Checked himself, said I can't use that word and came up with fantasy.

‘Do you think he thinks this is lost?’

No. I think he knows if he wins he did a bad thing.

Oh no, I missed it.

Is Colin Cook next?

Beautiful cat

I closed too soon! I missed the cat!

Who is up this afternoon?

Toddler napping, all caught up. What a horrid angry little man TW is. Missed the cat though, bah!

Could someone explain what the issue is with the bundle/witness statements today, please? How does MF's withdrawn application change things? I haven't been able to listen much today, sadly.

Also sad to have missed the cat 😾

For fans of cats making workplace video appearances, have you seen the Vicar's cat? Hang on, over to twitter...

twitter.com/TheVicarageCat

Lewis sadly went OTRB, so the Vicar now has Teddy, a Bengal kitten. He plays & climbs about in her Compline videos. Her cats also sing/sang. If you're not into the CofE don't worry, it's all just lovely. Do take a look.

These people are horrific. They are human rights lawyers. I actually feel physically sick listening to them. I thought I knew so much about this issue, but this tribunal has actually made me frightened .. people like this embedded in our politics, the NHS, education, the civil service. It's actually terrifying.

My cat once made an appearance in a court hearing on MS Teams. It was getting towards the end of the day, proper biccies and juice time, and my cat decided it was time for her to be fed and never mind what I was doing. Jumped on my desk and smacked me right across the face with her paw. Everyone in the hearing saw it but nobody said a word.

All the links to the various bundle's and all witness statements do not work. They do not know why.

I think Mayas request was withdrawn. I think she asked for permission to publish some of the material from the statements/bundles.

How can the witnesses keep getting more and more reprehensible

Honestly his anger was palpable, astonishing. None of these people seem capable of self reflection. I know lawyer is a job that attracts a lot of ego and an above average number of psychopaths, but honestly I work with lawyers all the time and I’d never have considered that they could behave like so many have this week in evidence.

Also one important rule of giving evidence is that you answer the questions, you don’t ask them. I guess when you’re used to being on the other side it’s tricky but you’d think they’d catch themselves on a little bit.

I find his political allegiance journey from Communist to centre-right Conservative interesting.

Have builders in fixing some damp, internet keeps cutting out and I've missed EJ cat 😫

Did you have to get up & feed her?

Thank you, so it isn't an issue in law or the ruling EJ made, just a tech error?

How can the witnesses keep getting more and more reprehensible

I do not see how Michelle Brewer can possibly live up to her supporting acts.

Damn. I missed the cat too but I see I called the breed type based on its miaow so I get extra tribunal spotter points for that.

It is. The almost casual, underlying misogyny which permeates society, is massively exposed by situations like this.

They have to answer the questions. They have to account for their actions and the thoughts which led to them.

And it's all floating up in the air in big, damning speech bubbles dripping with sexism and arrogance.

Their misogyny is so ingrained, they didn't even know they were exercising it. And now someone showing them, in black-and-white, exactly how their thoughts are anti-women is coming as a shock.

Having to actually label their own unconscious prejudice is making them very angry.

This is why feminism should be taught in schools. All the reasons why women are thought of as lesser than and how that manifests itself.

😂😂😂

She had to wait, she was most displeased.

Nice fresh thread for this afternoon.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

I think I said this on an earlier thread but I suspect what is at issue here is that this tribunal is challenging their very deeply held beliefs that they are good people. Honourable warriors of justices for the dispossessed and underrepresented.

It's striking to the very heart of their sense of sense. Which is why they are so very very angry.