Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

As you know @ickkyI've assiduously followed this for weeks and I too missed EJ's cat. I'm crushed by the unfairness of this.

Speed reading to catch up, as always thank you for the threads and comments.

They should be having proper 'are we the baddies?' moments.

Thanks all for this

I think I said this on an earlier thread but I suspect what is at issue here is that this tribunal is challenging their very deeply held beliefs that they are good people. Honourable warriors of justices for the dispossessed and underrepresented.

It's striking to the very heart of their sense of sense. Which is why they are so very very angry.

Exactly.

I've noticed a couple of times people determinedly saying there was 'no conspiracy'. They're very confident that they can claim there was no actual covert meeting of people all hellbent on getting Allison out.

Except it's perfectly obvious that she was working in a hostile environment, and that due to the things she said and did, they considered her anti trans which was interfering with their pro trans stance.

They've been briefed to stick to the line that there was no talk behind-the-scenes about any of this. Because it can't be proven. See constant references to football. Ben is being very smart, making them all, every one, one after the other, say all they ever talked about was football. Sticks out like a sore thumb.

Also their barrister is very hot on making them all say that whatever they said or did or wrote or thought, was not representative of the chambers at all, but evidence of a personal opinion only.

And from what people here are observing, it's perfectly obvious that the judge isn't really buying any of the bull, either. Whether she can work her belief into a legally acceptable outcome in Allison's favour, I don't know.

Except it's perfectly obvious that she was working in a hostile environment, and that due to the things she said and did, they considered her anti trans which was interfering with their pro trans stance.

Exactly, from the top to the bottom.

Crikey. Must be a busy day in court. Came here to place mark and the thread is already at 983.
I'll never catch up! 😭
Just hope there will be some really good summing up of the highlights of the proceedings at the end in the press.
And by excellent Mumsnet commentators obv.

I haven't been in any remote meetings, so I didn't twig until today that the background behind EJ was a virtual one. I sort of assumed she had the royal coat of arms up in her dining room or something.😂🙄

For those gutted at missing the meezer, there wasn't much to see. It didn't exactly dance the fandango across her desk - though I live in hope.

@Datun

So all they talk about in chambers is football?

Personally I have no interest and less knowledge about anything relating to football. Are they all such keen fans? Really? Doesn't sound very likely I must say. 🤷‍♀️

I am so disappointed that I've got back to backs with scarcely a break.

I admire those of you with the stamina to sit through this much condensed rhetoric that has confirmed all of our worst reservations.

Much, much kudos to Ben Cooper for his sustained intellectual stamina and focus on his examination and ability to keep this demeanour and maintain the thread of the narrative.

@tabbycatstripy A quick question while we're waiting to get back in. You've mentioned a few times on the various threads that verbatim quotes from the proceedings aren't allowed. Why is that? Surely it would be more accurate than a paraphrased summary? I can understand that the court service isn't prepared to fund a transcript, but given that TT are willing to do so for free why can't they record the audio and do a full (and more accurate) transcription? (In case it needs saying, I'm in awe of TT's ability to provide their account of the proceedings in real time - truly amazing.)

It's the law. It's illegal to record the tribunal in any way.

But I'm typing stuff here and I assume that's ok unless I get told otherwise

New thread underway for the pm session.

You can make notes of what is said in a hearing. You just can't record it.

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It is most satisfying...

...when a thread...

...which is almost full...

...is not left...

...with just a few spaces remaining.

Going.

Going.

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