Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

What did Maya do? They're talking about a letter from her.

Oh crap I'm busy all day on Wednesday

Seems to be maya is asking to publish parts

Which is against the EJ order so is a waste of time

And Otiose again!

Thanks @nauticant

I couldn't type quick enough and then got lost. 😁

Thank you @ickky - I have now got the bundle

What is Maya playing at? The EJ was clear in her ruling

Poor EJ, she looks so pissed off.

Another "otiose". This time from IO.

Corrections:
tgchambers.com/member-profile/cathryn-mcgahey-qc/
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/kathryn-cronin/sao

I do hope not!

GCC seem to remaking such a pig's ear of it that I can see SW might just quietly fetch their coat a slope off carrying their shoes and "shushing" the dog, but I so hope that it can be shown that it was pressure rom SW that panicked all of these greedy ferociously intelligent highly educated people.

Nicely done nauticant 👏- I only managed a scribbled Mon & Thurs running order!

Starting 9.30am tomorrow.

Maya? Forestater or a different one?

9.30 tomorrow

What is the problem with publishing the currently non-downloadable, redacted bundle? Surely evidence in court is a matter of public record, and where that has the potential to cause harm to witnesses their names have been removed?

There was a point on the last thread about what happens if you ignore the ‘twitterstorm’.

Im inclined to suggest it blows itself out if you hold a firm reasonable line. That’s why they hate us here at mumsnet so much. We’re mothers. We know how to handle a toddler tantrum in public. You can’t embarrass us by shouting how uncool, unprogressive, and old we are; for we have raised teenagers. We hold safeguarding as sacred. And we know how to offer a helping hand when we see another woman struggling.

no wonder we terrify them.

9.30 tomorrow. A very heartfelt "It's been a long day" from EJ Goodman !

Twice in one lifetime! We're spoilt. 😁

As I understood the final part, Maya Forstater is making an application to the court for the restrictions on the non-downloadable core bundle to be varied and made more open. It was all done and dusted weeks back so its annoying everyone but in view of some of the startling positions held by some of the witnesses, and the fact that there'll be no transcript, one can see the value in it.

9.30 tomorrow

Both respondents do not want any verbatim reports or screenshots from the bundle or witness statements.

They said it was to mitigate any abuse, but I think it is to reduce exposure of the more extreme views that have been displayed.

I think that last to and fro re publishing the bundle,was maybe because IO deciding to get noticed, IO mentioned that Maya had received bundles., and then went on ask wether bundles could be published.

possibly hoping to conflate the two things in onlookers minds.

I have stuff to do on Weds but I'm really going to try and tune in...

I wonder what they’ve found in the bundle that they want to shine some sunshine on.

The two mentions of otiose are beginning to elide into one for me. Maybe I have just elided one from my memory.