Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

@Cailleach1 maybe you don't have two brains like SC? If so then don't beat yourself up for not having his incredible grasp of facts.

I mean is appears to be facts about Mariah Carey rather than this case but who are we to judge him

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I WFH but have been asked to go into the office on Wednesday. Wednesday of all days! Not a happy bunny.

Thanks to everyone for the live reactions- it brings it to life.

I wonder what they find to chat about Mariah Carey? I have to admit I don't follow her career closely, but is she even putting new material out to discuss these days? Or would the chat between SC and his friend be more along the lines of 'I wonder what Mariah is having for tea tonight?' - that sort of thing?

Thanks for the new thread ikky and the witness timetable nauticant

That is a good point. Britney would be better conversation material for two gay men. Mariah not so much so. Unless one or both are super fans.

That part of his testimony was laden with stereotypes. I don't think we could include that in the film; we'd get complaints. Possibly even a Twitter storm.

Who is this Hugh that she wants for Christmas, probably

Maybe about how MC gets burned on food off her pots and pans?

They'd certainly be discussing that ahead of any issues in connection with their chambers or livelihoods.

Poolside, too - I imagine.

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Maybe about how MC gets burned on food off her pots and pans?

If she were on MN, she'd know the answer is sex lube and a fish slice.

Likewise disgruntled that MB is Wednesday.

I've lots of empathy for Maya Forstater in re: the bundle. In times to come, unless you were present for the tribunal, you'd disbelieve much of what you were told that the GCC and SW witnesses said. The bundle and their individual WS would lend credence to that representation of what they said. Without the bundle, it would seem utterly absurd that so many leading QCs spoke and behaved in this way.

Placemarking

MB on Wednesday doesn't work for me either.

Well I have almost the entirety of thread 10 to catch up on so I'll be a while! However just had to express my appreciation for this comment:

@CatsOperatingInGangs · Today 09:40

BC seems refreshed and bouncy this morning. Like a legal tigger.

placemarking onto new thread.

I wonder if MN have an idea of how many people are reading these threads? Would be interesting to gauge how many people they are reaching

MN should be able to tell that very easily, I'd have thought.

*Maybe about how MC gets burned on food off her pots and pans?

If she were on MN, she'd know the answer is sex lube and a fish slice.*

I'm not sure if this answer is serious! Does it work?

Also you run the risk of a raised eyebrow from your other half if they walk in while you are vigorously scrubbing...

Thanks for the precis, @ickky 👏

All this talk of football brings to mind this clip from the IT Crowd by Graham Linehan

thanks for the new thread.

Caught up on todays threads. Not impressed with Stephen Clark and his attitude to women, glad I didn't have to listen to that live. Funny how many of the people who build careers on human rights are only really bothered about the rights of men.

Can't follow tomorrow either but pleased to see I might be able to catch some of Michelle Brewer on Weds as it happens.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed today.

The point someone mentioned above had been said in court that why could one barrister tweet about Palestine and yet Allison B was pulled up over hers is a very good one. I think there is a set of standard views a group of people who I might call the woke left or whatever else you want to call them, used to be called champagne socialists, have and most epople in the group have the same views on most things - they vote Remain, they vote Labour, they are keen on trans rights even if that messes around with rights of women, they always support Palestine over Israel - it is a kind of echo chamber of one right view. They hang out with other people with all those same views and feel they are superior to everyone who is different but pretend to be kind and understanding and inclusive. They are what I call the woke left as opposed to the liberal left. I have more time for the liberal left than the woke left. That would be why Palestine views are fine as they tick the right box whereas Allison B's begin off script in the London intelligensia group think is not expressing the correct view. It is all very Animal Farm really and a pity we have come to this.