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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 12:57

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

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Signalbox · 10/02/2025 14:02

myplace · 10/02/2025 13:59

The people who have just come in… who are they? I’m just getting my bearings.

JR is DU's barrister she's the lady on the end of the long bench. Those opposite the camera are DU and his support team.

GCITC · 10/02/2025 14:02

Cerialkiller · 10/02/2025 14:01

back for round 2. have cleaned the oven and done another 100 piecesof my big jig saw. This time with double caramel cake (homemade naturally becos real woman) and my remaining caramel egg.

Edited

Can I have the recipe?

Iwishihadariver · 10/02/2025 14:03

Drat! Forgot to add the link to my message ⤴️ or ⤵️

alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com/

JasmineAllen · 10/02/2025 14:04

Biologically disingenuous 😂

RogueFemale · 10/02/2025 14:04

Has anyone asked DU whether he has a uterus?

myplace · 10/02/2025 14:04

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 14:02

JR is DU's barrister she's the lady on the end of the long bench. Those opposite the camera are DU and his support team.

I’d imagined it quite differently! More of an auditorium with people arranged in tiers behind him. That’s rather pathetic.

Im not getting sound, just a hiss. Is that the same for everyone else u til it starts, or do I need to mess with my settings?

murasaki · 10/02/2025 14:04

I feel positively virtuous compared to you lot. I've rage eaten left over Turkish lamb with giant couscous cous and a slice of sourdough toast.

nauticant · 10/02/2025 14:05

No sound here @myplace

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MarieDeGournay · 10/02/2025 14:05

IPreveil · 10/02/2025 13:31

It seems to me if someone had actually bothered to manage DU a bit at the early stage of his career we might have a competent dr and less of this waste of public funds.

Can I have the Pat link please? I know someone who’d love it.

I tried to reply sooner, but pages and pages and pages of posts kept appearing!
Here's the link to the relevant 15 seconds of the Fr Ted episode.
I'm only providing the link because you asked me to, and it's childish and silly and crude innuendo and I don't approve of it, of course😇
And I've no idea why I thought of it today..HmmGrin

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:06

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/02/2025 13:19

Whilst i'm annoyed the judge wouldn't allow the 1984 comparison - because it's exactly analogous except fictional so no-one really harmed- I bet DU's really frustrated he doesn't get to endlessly pontificate about why Winston's a bigot and possibly why the whole of 1984 is bigoted.

He didn't forbid the comparison, just said it may not be helpful

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 10/02/2025 14:06

myplace · 10/02/2025 14:04

I’d imagined it quite differently! More of an auditorium with people arranged in tiers behind him. That’s rather pathetic.

Im not getting sound, just a hiss. Is that the same for everyone else u til it starts, or do I need to mess with my settings?

It's just white noise until they start.

chilling19 · 10/02/2025 14:06

I like the idea of a medical question, along the lines of:

If you were treating a TW medically, would you prescribe medication that could be harmful to men?

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 10/02/2025 14:06

Nice use of “him” in the chat there

RobinEllacotStrike · 10/02/2025 14:06

myplace · 10/02/2025 13:59

The people who have just come in… who are they? I’m just getting my bearings.

They form the "Wall of Sad" - you will see.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:07

To recap:

The difference between Dr U and a man is Dr U's belief, which he says is sincere, that he's a woman, .

The difference between Dr U and a woman is Dr U's male body.

JumpingPumpkin · 10/02/2025 14:07

I wish i didn't have to work today, I'm raging at just the little I've caught up on.

prh47bridge · 10/02/2025 14:07

Waitwhat23 · 10/02/2025 13:42

Dennis Noel Kavanagh has commented the following on Twitter -

'The number of objections is unusual, I remark that treating evidence like a three way conversation can give the impression of not having confidence in one own's witness or feeling an urgent need to insulate them from legitimate scrutiny.'

Haven't seen anything specific mentioned about the needling.

Agree with this. I doubt it is needling, more an attempt to stop DU from hanging himself with all the rope NC has given him.

NorthNorthumberland · 10/02/2025 14:07

Hoping today's exchanges are picked up by journalists.

Lark1ane · 10/02/2025 14:08

Following. Thanks all.

bigboykitty · 10/02/2025 14:09

Is anyone able to share the link to register to join the live court case please?

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 10/02/2025 14:09

bigboykitty · 10/02/2025 14:09

Is anyone able to share the link to register to join the live court case please?

It's in the OP.

GCITC · 10/02/2025 14:09

bigboykitty · 10/02/2025 14:09

Is anyone able to share the link to register to join the live court case please?

It's in the OP

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 10/02/2025 14:10

NorthNorthumberland · 10/02/2025 14:07

Hoping today's exchanges are picked up by journalists.

As long as they don’t say: “young NHS emergency doc slammed as torturer by trump supporter’s lawyer”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 14:11

Agree with this. I doubt it is needling, more an attempt to stop DU from hanging himself with all the rope NC has given him.

I think this too.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 14:11

I hope the biological woman line is picked up on

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