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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 12:57

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 14:54

'Wonderful'.
He's so fucking, fucking condescending.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

GCITC · 10/02/2025 14:54

*slowly

katmarie · 10/02/2025 14:54

That's not why people might think your marriage is a sham....

Signalbox · 10/02/2025 14:54

FFS now he's a lesbian.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:54

NC - whatever number Y of women who use the CR and believe sex matters, you and the board willing to sacrifice the dignity and privay of women to validate your identity

BU - I can't speak for th eboard. Not sacrifice, challenge. Another group's dignity, respect, human rights, sometimes a conflict, we have to work out the best way, my belief, what you want to call it, my understanding I'm a woman and should use the women's CR, it's no different to working with a homophobe and who talks about my marriage being a sham when I say I love my wife

seXX · 10/02/2025 14:54

Swashbuckled · 10/02/2025 14:53

I have the urge to punch him in the head.

I hate violence but I understand why he is so fearful of his safety as anyone who has spoken to him would want to slap him!

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 14:54

You are not a woman married to a woman

FFS

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 14:54

I'm a woman married to another woman!

ickky · 10/02/2025 14:54

Just confirmed he believes he is lesbian.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 14:54

And now we're onto the "homophobia" experienced by straight people of course.

mzdemeanour · 10/02/2025 14:55

O brave new world,
That has such people in't

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 14:55

Bingo! He's a lesbian!

eatfigs · 10/02/2025 14:55

Absolutely crackers.

bumbledenbarsk · 10/02/2025 14:55

Cuckoo Cuckoo

everyonesawinner · 10/02/2025 14:55

All of these 'insights' into sexuality can be put to his boss in the next few days I assume.

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 14:55

His poor wife

ILikeDungs · 10/02/2025 14:55

teawamutu · 10/02/2025 14:53

I'm finding this utterly unbearable to listen to. So much so that I can't tell, is there any chance he's actually doing quite well and convincing the judge?

I had to leave for a bit. Too much.

He is just illustrating what power he has over women, as a MAN

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 14:55

Oh so he HAS to use the female CR

Needs validation

Won't be separated

myrtleWilson · 10/02/2025 14:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2025 14:45

Male and female bodies, "a nebulous term that I do not recognise". An NHS doctor ladies and gentlemen

What are these nebulous terms you use - ladies and gentleman?

To loop back to a quote before all this started today, NC must be on her 5th banana now

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2025 14:55

NC - would have bene possible to respect your privaqcy and women by you using single ocupancy

BU - not neceessarily - there's privacy of changing, there's also privacy of identity, potentially other, not a conversation I was part of. Not a decision I get to make.

FriedGold32 · 10/02/2025 14:55

WhatIsCorndogs · 10/02/2025 14:53

Reeks of male entitlement

I'm male and this man genuinely makes my skin crawl. It absolutely astonishes me that every single man on the planet can't see what he's up to, it is so obvious to me that is a display of male sexual entitlement and power over women.

Cheeseburger27 · 10/02/2025 14:55

There’s privacy and also, ‘Privacy of one’s identity’ 😂😂😂😂😂

Appalonia · 10/02/2025 14:55

My head is hurting. Again.

Boiledbeetle · 10/02/2025 14:55

ghostofadog · 10/02/2025 14:55

Bingo! He's a lesbian!

HOUSE!

ThatsNotMyTeen · 10/02/2025 14:56

SameyMcNameChange · 10/02/2025 14:51

Legally though. This gets quite tricky for the judge. Because the judge can't overrule this insanity because the judge can't set themselves as knowing more medically than this witness.

I am pretty sure it would be in judicial knowledge that you need 1 egg and 1 sperm to produce a baby

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