NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

Can we call Prof Winston please?

There are not only 2 kinds of bodies! Fuck my life.

'sex is a nebulous dogwhistle' and once again we are in 1984 and using 'newspeak' (a controlled language of simplified grammar and limited vocabulary designed to limit a person's ability for critical thinking.)

Oh. Biology is complicated. Of course

This is so embarrassing.

Please let the judges be peaked.

What's crazy is that he actually BELIEVES this stuff!

He's very good at mansplaining for a woman

But a transman can only produce one type of gamete.

BU - HRT and cross sex hormones, testosterone may masculinise a body, won't have breasts if they've had a mastectomy, that person could still carry a child. No, not only two kinds of bodies.

This is amazing.

It was a stroke of genius for Naomi to get the 1984 line in when she did.

biology is complicated ... this really is TRA 101

Not only two kinds of bodies ...

He totally insane

THATS BECAUSE THEIR SEX IS FEMALE!!!!!

what the hell……..am….I…..listening to?

This is just amazing

NC - is there a third kind of body that could assist that isn't sperm or egg?

BU - no,

NC - is there a third gamete

BU - not to my knowledge

t-shirt!

This is classic queer theory. He has learnt the script

I just...I...can't.

(I'm so glad my microphone is off. At least, I hope it is...)

He's throwing his career down the toilet by sacrificing it on the altar of his hurt feelings.

He is a fully fledged batshit crazy LUNATIC. And a male one at that.

oh FFS this is so unbelievably grim - what has happened to us all that this kind of total guff has been allowed to take hold and 'identify' as reasonable discourse?

Legally though. This gets quite tricky for the judge. Because the judge can't overrule this insanity because the judge can't set themselves as knowing more medically than this witness.