NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

"Biological sex is a nebulous dog whistle"

"Bio sex is a nebulous dogwhistle"

When a man and a woman want to make a baby...

NC If two people are going to make babies together...

Operation Let Them Speak sometimes does produce spectacular results, doesn't it?

NC - if two people are going to make babies togehter, one needs to have a body that produces sperm and the other to have a body hta tmakes eggs. Do you agree?

“there’s no agreed definition of biological sex” says a U.K. qualified medical doctor who has already said he’s a biological woman 🤯

So biological makeup is important in medicine, but biological sex is a nebulous dogwhistle. OK. Got it.

Now on to how do we make babies!

surrogacy ding ding ding

And if it was for transwomen we'd call it a transwoman space...

If a mummy loves a daddy very much......😂

Do we really need to go to this level.

.

I don't think NC is going to get far arguing biological sex with a medically qualified TRA. I hope she has a plan.

HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHICH TYPE OF 3rd PERSON YOU NEED?

Oh dear gods - he's now denying that you need a man and a woman to make a baby!

TRAs tend to think these lines of argument are extremely clever. Most people disagree.

DU might need a third person

Defining how people produce babies indeed! Melt.

Oh God oh God this is insane!

Fucks sake the MANSPLAINING

Watching him try to reason his way out of sexual reproduction is honestly making me want to smash my laptop screen

Fuck sake

Ridiculous

BU - not necessarily. Depends how you define making babies. They may require a donor or a surrogate. Mitochoondrial transplatns. You still say parents are parents but ... yes, for human fertilisation require sperm and egg cells.

NC - you get sperm from one kind of body, eggs from the ohter. Only two kidns of bodies.

BU - those are the two cells, but not only two. Lots of different kinds of bodies .Biology much more complicated than a stick figure with a skirt and a stick figure with trousers.

NC - You need male and female to make a baby, yes?
BU - NOT NECESSARILY
😂😂