NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

OOh come on NC... Medical knowledge of sex and importance as a dr????

Nobody can define it ffs

"Biological sex doesn't mean anything"

Can you imagine being married to him? His poor wife.

This is like listening to Reddit personified.

"Biological sex is a nebulous term that doesn't mean anything".

Said by A DOCTOR. A DOCTOR. <fans self frantically>

This is impossible. How can you reach the truth without a common language?

Did someone in the room laugh out loud when he said that?!

I can't, I just can't. He is a doctor. I could just cry.

'biological sex doesn't mean anything.'

How do we decide what contraception someone needs if we can't tell what sex they are?

There's no such thing as 'endocrine sex'

DU biological sex is a nebulous term that doesn't really mean anything.
Outbreak of coughing in court

ASK HIM THE MEDICAL QUESTION. Unconscious patient - how do you decide which sex range of drugs to give?

How long does this process take before treating a patient appropriately?

Ah, J anxious to get all this down.

I would really not like to find myself in an enclosed space with that man, he's very creepy.

I’m convinced the judge has now got him down as a lunatic.

And now we're on to the spectra of biological sex ... primary sexual characteristics, secondary, endocrine waffle waffle waffle

For a doctor he's an idiot. I wouldn't want care with his lack of basic medical knowledge

Again, go back to Sandie Peggie in the changing room needing to run through all of this in her head so she isn't unkind to anyone. It's insane.

Dickhead.

Can we call Dr Winston to the witness box please?

WTAF

As an A&E Dr Upton should be aware that there are restrictions around blood transfusions for men. They should not be given blood from women who have been pregnant.

I'd like to see him questioned about this.

www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j4795

If I hear the word nebulous one more time!!

Going round in circles trying to convince us biology doesn't exist

If enough people bang their heads against a wall at the same time, do you think we'd actually feel the earth move?

The mansplaining is off the effing scale

Fuck me, this is as mad as a box of frogs.