NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

Would he even keep out of a 'cis woman's CR'?

Many of my female colleagues consider me a woman

NO THEY DON'T

consider me to be a woman - he isn't. end of

argghh .. he is driving me up the wall.

DU A female only space is not a cis woman only space. Otherwise wed call it a cis women only space.

I don't think I've ever heard a more controlling man in my life. It's horrific. I'm becoming fixated on what his marriage must be like.

No one apart from genderists use the TRA nonsense term "cis" - that's why they don't specify.

Ooh, did he just say we can label the changing room as "cis women only" and he'll stay out?! I hate cis but if it works, we should use it!

Good job he’s behind a screen, I’d be sitting on my hands.

X number of women 😂

Gtf

No, we wouldn't use the phrase "cis women" because there's NO SUCH FUCKING THING. There is no distinction between "woman" and "cis women".

I don't think this is good for my blood pressure <turns off light and lies down>

If we all had a shot every time he uses the word "cis" we'd all be pissed by now...

NC - we can not assume that women have what you call 'gc' views, recognise a distinction between male and female views

BU - I wouldn't say they were GC views. Not only GC views make a difference between male and female bodies, a nebulous term I don't recognise

OH MY GOD. He just won't recognise male and female.

Make and female bodies nebulous terms…

How can a DOCTOR think that "male and female bodies" is a "nebulous term"

A medical doctor is saying, on camera, that he does not believe in and cannot recognise the difference between male and female bodies.

'Male and female is a nebulous term that I do not recognise' 😦

Male and female bodies, "a nebulous term that I do not recognise". An NHS doctor ladies and gentlemen

I'm just banging my head on my desk now

BU - I'd agree that a number of women view transwomen as men. In any population probably a number of peopel who don't recognise the validity of transwomen as women

NC - common to believe sex is real and matters

BU - biological sex is nebulous term that doesn't mean anything

But he has conceded that he knew some people had an issue with trans people in women's facilities. -and he clearly identifies as being a trans person.

I think the use of the word 'cis' should be challenged in this context - what does it mean? does it have any legal standing? if there's no agreed definition, is it appropriate in a tribunal? should he just stop bloody well using it😠

Dickhead is all I've got.