NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

He won't concede anything!

"Most productive would have been a conversation" - that's what SP did, and you went running to HR.

Haha

@Szygy that was the third (24/5 December incident), after which he had to be helped to his car and stayed up drafting a complaint email with his wife.

His facial expressions remind me of that Philosophy Tube guy. Same condescending tone too.

Good call!

Do we think when a patient is saying to Dr U 'i feel this way' he says 'well we can't assume this, it could be this, it could be that, it could be something else'. Is anyone else allowed to state anything at all without him undermining it?

He is sounding more and more male and older

NC do you know how many women work in a&e? There are 26 lockers for example. We can look at the photos..
DU No, no, I am familiar with the women's CR ...

He's so sneerily superior. How can ANYONE stand working with him.

NC - photos show locker room is crowded, must get heavy used from several dozen women

BU - I don't know

NC -not asking for exact number

BU - don't know how to begin to estimate number

NC - 26 lockers. On one shift, crowded with possessions.

BU - you can't assume, some leave stuff on the floor, some people don't take stuff home, it's variable. Number of men/women varies. At least 2/3 staff nurses per area, another 2 for triage, 1 for minors, .... counting ... intermingling shifts ... maybe 10 -13 junior medical staff ... 3 registars, 3/4 consultants, mix of men and women. Varies.

He's awful.

NC is on n number of women!

Feels very FWR

Doesn't he just? Presumably the effort to sound female and wispy gets tiring after a while.

He's very keen to say he can't assume feelings/motive whilst also assuming transphobia all over the place.

NC has asked him a simple question about how many women use the changing room - and DrU went into a rant.

'So again'.

No, he meant a conversation where he says, ' Don't worry sweetie, I am a woman with a female body'

And SP says, ' Phew, glad we got that cleared up, I was worried for a bit there. Hey, lets go out after work for glass or two of Chardonny.'

NC - let's agree a number of women regularly use changing room. We can find out number from another witness. We can see that you and the board were willing to sacrifice privacy and dignity of all - None of those women can undress in there confident of a single sex space.

BU - women only doesn't mean 'cis women'

sacrifice Dignity and privacy of all the women, however many there are.

none can now confidently assume it’s women only (row about cos women v female v him..

God he's so smug!

Urgh. He isn't female!!

No we wouldn't, you dingbat, because you're not female.

OMG I’ve just realised the supercilious, patronising, ever so reasonable, tone of this odious prick is exactly like a male relative of mine, also a medic, also probably undiagnosed autistic, but thankfully not biologically deluded.

Said relative makes my blood boil too.

EDIT to say also Scottish, also ‘well spoken’

BU - many of my women colleagues consider me a woman. I'm a woman in a space with other women. It's not a cis women only space.

changed to now 'many of my cis colleagues agree that I'm a woman'.