NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #9

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8

He's trying to frame Sandie "upsetting" him in what he thinks sounds like a compassionate way.

BU - makes me upset to think someone considers me dangerous.

NC - what could SP do?

BU - as i said maybe nothing

NC - I suggest you leave SP with no option other than to carry on into CR and change in your presence. ONly thing she could do to stop you from running to supervisor

BU - I didn't run to her, we had a planned meeting. I was upset by SP's action, I wasn' t suggesting she should come back in if she was upset. Not up to me if SP is upset. My upset isn't up to her. If I felt uncomfortable I would leave. Hopefully she dind't mean to upset me. I don't hold her responsible for cuasing me upset

I have just laughed out loud at that.
WTAF?! 😵‍💫

He never asked for a single occupancy changing room

I doubt that. NHS is pretty desperate😬

NC - if you'd asked for a single changing room, do you agree [inaudible]

BU - can't answer, not aware of NHS Fife policy

NC - agree likely they'd have found you a single occupancy changing space?

BU - yes probably, they've been supportive generally

If I felt uncomfortable I would leave. Hopefully she didn't mean to upset me.

By leaving??

I can’t remember the time/date of the incident when he roamed the hospital trying to find people to tell about his 'upset' - can anyone help? It wasn't a pre-arranged meeting with his supervisor where he just happened to mention it, I’m pretty sure.

And as he's carried on talking - surely there WAS a single-occupancy space, though?!

@bumbledenbarsk

He could go and work with Harrop, he is also a twat.

If a patient sees me and thinks women shouldn't be doctors and goes over my head and speaks to a male doctor, then.....

I can't believe the level of his denial that he is a male, pretending to be a woman and everyone knows that.

That's why I had to stop. Gaslighting WTF.

Thank-you for this link. It is wonderful to watch the numbers rise along with our natural reaction to the tribunal.

How sad he had to see his daughter going through this at the end of his life. How proud he can be of her.

The chair has stopped asking DU to slow down. Presumably this means they are no longer taking down his waffle in full.

He's clearly so very kind and caring like that, isn't he? She's allowed to upset him and he'll take it on the chin because he cares about his fellow women

As a woman....

NC - so likely certain you would have been found a single occupancy space, wasn't enought o have somewhere private and safe

BU - as a woman, most appropriate I used the woman's CR. I needed to access teh women's locker room.

NC you positively wanted access to woman's CR
DU as a woman...

..and there are specialist private services that might well appreciate a doctor who believes males can be biologically female.

Very much liking current questions.

exposes his motives.

"Othering" - again FF!

There was nothing SP could do to avoid upsetting him. We aren’t responsible for other people’s emotions.

But Sandie got suspended because I was upset.

Needs work to make it #mrupton

Why did he NEED to access the women's locker room? For validation, that's why, the disingenuous lying fucker.

As a woman I felt it was most appropriate to use the women's CR. Because that's where the lockers are.
What if given a locker elsewhere?
Unlikely situation but I wouldn't want a locker in middle of a corridor which everyone knows is mine.

BU - makes me upset to think someone considers me dangerous

Yeah well, it upsets women that enough men ARE dangerous to us that we need to be wary of all of you at times we are vulnerable, you fucking male -entitled, arrogant, ego-centred arse.

He's giving me the rage now.