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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

1002 replies

ickky · 23/05/2022 16:04

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 24/05/2022 12:43

Reading stuff out is getting really tedious now. Wish they'd sort the witness statements out.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 24/05/2022 12:43

OH MY GOD THAT SULK/SNEER/EYEROLL COMBINATION

He is my least favourite witness, and it's a tough competition.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 24/05/2022 12:43

That's what i thought too, Fing.

Gotta be down with the lads in the Clerks room and talk about 'the footie'.

Like Alan Patridge saying to his builders 'Did you see the match?'
Builder: Which one?
AP: Dunno...

chilling19 · 24/05/2022 12:43

Do we a mansplainer?

chilling19 · 24/05/2022 12:43

*have

TeenPlusCat · 24/05/2022 12:44

I've got one of those Oxbridge thingies too. Fancy, women on MN aren't all brainless.

Clymene · 24/05/2022 12:44

He's now in angry waffle mode.

alwaysandtogether · 24/05/2022 12:44

The OJ of the legal world.

Redshoeblueshoe · 24/05/2022 12:44

My remarks over there were all inline with the ones on this thread. Several Bingo references, etc.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 24/05/2022 12:44

I think I love Ben a little bit.

Because it would be so easy to be the other sort of man. No not that sort.

CriticalCondition · 24/05/2022 12:44

Is this overlong answer and extensive quoting an attempt to run down the clock?

Mmmnotsure · 24/05/2022 12:44

mateysmum · 24/05/2022 12:34

In defence of my alma mater there were men like this but even 40 years ago they were a small % and everybody saw what they were.

It may partly depend on the college :)

But men who were unthinkingly arrogant and entitled, and not necessarily as intelligent as they thought they were (v. well prepared for Oxbridge entry but often not particularly impressive after that) - quite a number of them.

Penguintears · 24/05/2022 12:44

Called AB flippant. Hadn't bothered to read an email properly. Extreme hostility.

Pyjamagame · 24/05/2022 12:45

Someone has an axe to grind

Ameanstreakamilewide · 24/05/2022 12:45

AB's email response was 'flippant'.

chilling19 · 24/05/2022 12:45

If she had bothered to read the email properly??? WTAF!

Clymene · 24/05/2022 12:45

If she'd bothered to read the email properly ...

He is really angry with Allison

chilling19 · 24/05/2022 12:45

Who is this bloke?

tabbycatstripy · 24/05/2022 12:45

I can’t decide between Renton and Wainwright for my award.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 24/05/2022 12:46

Getting mightily snippy with our Ben, now.

VestofAbsurdity · 24/05/2022 12:46

Tribunal Tweets is very slow today, last one showing as 10 minutes ago, is there a problem with technology?

tabbycatstripy · 24/05/2022 12:46

His face!

Redshoeblueshoe · 24/05/2022 12:46

Oh well ban doesn't mean ban anymore, as I've just posted a comment 😎

chilling19 · 24/05/2022 12:46

Ooh, a bit sigh. 'If she had a moment's thought'.

He is really horrible.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 24/05/2022 12:46

To use Bedelia's words in Hannibal, he really is a righteous, reckless, twitchy little man.

Funnily enough, just after she says that Will has just found religion, "Nothing more dangerous than that."

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