Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Are we on a countdown to a football reference??

Footie or Mariah Carey? Neither, apparently...

No gossip in Chambers. Chambers didn't have a position on trans rights.

This witness is rather helpful to AB's case. No smoking gun piece of evidence but a clear lack of candour to cover up his clear prejudice against AB.

Another one denying there was ever any gossip...

BC - a lot of chat and gossip goes on in Chambers, isn't there?

TW (a very brusque) No.

What a fucking awful time it is to be a lesbian.

And yet these witnesses would squawk in pink-faced indignation if you dared suggest they were being homophobic.

It can't be long now.

No gossip in chambers, doesn't work with Michelle professionally but sends her a message saying 'welcome back!!!'

Pull the other one Tom

DH just came in, watched ToW for 10 seconds and said ''God, he's a slug, isn't he'. DH knows broadly what this is about but not the ins and outs. But he knows a slimy creep when he sees one.

Well I have clearly touched a nerve
Just got a 12 hour Twitter ban

Reading this thread and the Tribunal Tweets I've got the impression some of the witnesses are a whisker away from doing a Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

I use mine professionally but I drop the Cantab

Hang on, I'm picking up the implication here that Mums on Mumsnet might actually have Oxbridge degrees.

Sounds rather implausible. Are you a sock?

He just said he wanted to defend his Chambers and set out their view. Now he’s saying Chambers had no view as far as he was concerned. He is a messy witness.

Ooh, what was your misdemeanour, Red??

Her starting point seems to be trans women are women. She is not remotely disinterested.

It's a position of faith. There's nothing rational about it.

Absolutely hostility to AB. Just the curl of his lip when he refers to her is unmistakable.

Did you make the rookie mistake of stating a well know fact?

his answers are so aggressive, surely given the job he does he should be able to be a bit more measured?

I can't say what my degree is in because it's too outing but plenty of people in the boat race do MPhils in it so they can stay on and row so many would say it's barely a degree at all.

I submit that they would be wrong.

Who knew that women could be intelligent eh?

The football thing is so cringe. Like they condescend to talk to the clerks about something they can understand. I feel like the implied flipside is that amongst barrister they chat about the boat race and the Varsity Match. At least CMG was refreshing with chat about the rugby. Context was bloody horrifying though.

Well they are homophobic, misogynist and clearly believe that human rights are not for everyone just a select few of their own determination.

The overt prejudice is boggling. And not just in one of them, but witness after witness after witness.

Just tuned back in - we have rugby now?

Urgh. He uses "myself" instead of "me" as well.