Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

He is very angry.

I have the same.

Thanks 😊

I didn't realise today was going to be a TRA day

Had to go out.

Back for TW looking extremely shifty. He keeps looking up/across to something on his right.

Extremist isn’t a reasonable way of describing something...

He literally just told us AB’s position was extremist.

Self righteous prig comes to mind

I know. I thought today was going to be the calm before the storm tomorrow.

He has got ants in his pants!

He cannot keep still.

I'm sure a body language expert would have a field day with this twonk.

Did he just scratch his butt on camera?

TW agrees that self-id at far end of the scale, but denies "extreme". Yeah, right.

TW floundering there. He walked straight into a trap, after TW said self-ID is not extreme, then he was asked whether then opposing position was also not extreme and TW tried to explain why the spectrum with two ends has only one end that's "extreme".

LGB Alliance have trans people in it and at conference.

A deliberate ‘cutting out the T’.

People are entitled to associate themselves with others as they see fit, Tom.

Sorry - I am behind and catching-up but isn't this 'overcoming the cotton-ceiling workshop' against the law now?

If it seeks to teach ways that lesbians can be 'persuaded' that it is right for them to sleep with males, isn't this simply conversion therapy for gay women?

That's me saying that in response to his 'cutting out the T' thing.

The T only joined 7 years ago. We can meet and organise however we wish Tom.

Sit still, man!

Finally we have an answer to the question - What rights don't trans people have? - and the answer is the ability to remove rights from others without them complaining, making a fuss, trying to preserve their rights or even having the temerity to think they had or deserve any rights. Thanks for clearing that up GCC.

Poor Allison working with these deeply unpleasant people

The barristers bios are a load of old wank aren't they?
To a person, they are all formidable, have two brains, fearless, not just intelligent but extremely intelligent...
Sadly their prejudice towards Allison appears to diluted these traits somewhat.

I went to university with a fair few men like this. Is he ex public school?

I like that BC made the distinction between sexual orientation and gender identity. Why can't you have an organisation that focuses on sexual organisation and not gender identity? He didn't have an answer for that. Shoulder shrugs and wiggles.

He keeps giving little micro-smiles. I don’t know if it’s nerves or enjoyment but it’s distracting.

I've met TW in rl.

This is exactly what he is like in rl.

This man is breathtakingly rude, angry, dismissive and really, really letting himself down. How can he hold a position of responsibility and professional standing when I just can't behave in this setting?