Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

I hope Allison isn't following today's parade of prejudice and ignorance. If reading this thread is making my adrenaline pump, I just cannot imagine how it must be for her to listen to it. I hope she's walking through a green beechwood somewhere, en route to a lovely cafe with excellent cake.

And now we're back to the I can't remember

I found when I was connected by data it worked, but when I was on the Wi-Fi I had a black screen

I had some strange hope that CM might be remotely reasonable - but I think she is the worst of all so far 😣

‘I’m really concerned about being drawn into a wider debate here.’

Bit late for that, really.

Just as an aside, how can it be so difficult for the witness statements to be available?

Get your high priests in positions of power and it all falls into place.

Until it doesn't like today

Yes, I thought this was going to a quick, non rage inducing witness.

OK I know it's probably not fair to judge someone based on their repertoire of facial expressions (why did the word "countenance" fall out of fashion?) but I really don't like how she keeps smirking at questions about threats and coercion!

Yep, she's just said that attraction based on sex isn't a legitimate thing.

I think she's demonstrated her homophobia (against lesbians at least) quite clearly.

She is like witchfinder general

I’m really concerned about being drawn into a wider debate here.

Then maybe you shouldn't have been trying to shut down people on one specific side of that public debate, thus choosing a side?

The witness statement must be very revealing, otherwise I’m not sure how BC would have known to position CM at this late stage in the proceedings.

CM looking very uncomfortable when BC was reading that segment.

@Hazycoffeek I always use my iPhone, sometimes it’s just a case of trying up to 3 or 4 times. Make sure you allow camera then quickly switch off when in. Also I try the guest link or the other one ( can’t remember what it’s called) if one doesn’t work.

‘I think she's demonstrated her homophobia (against lesbians at least) quite clearly.’

Yes.

CM looking very flushed in the face and neck now.

Just as an aside, how can it be so difficult for the witness statements to be available?

They can only use sharing links that disable download (not that that is genuinely possible.)

I’m not sure how BC would have known to position CM at this late stage in the proceedings.

You certainly do have to work your way up the crazy, don't you? To actually be in a mind-space where you can believe someone is actually saying this stuff, and really meaning it, you have to be kind of warmed up with a bunch of less crazy stuff first.

But now she agrees that there’s evidence of appalling levels of coercion driving the trans self-ID agenda. And also that Stonewall dismissed any concerns about that.

If IO has no questions after this I would be amazed. She has to earn her fee today.

You are right. Decidedly red from the neck up.

The witness statement must be very revealing, otherwise I’m not sure how BC would have known to position CM at this late stage in the proceedings.

So BC got to choose the order of witnesses? I was wondering about that, the escalation of witness insanity didn't seem like it could be a coincidence.

Yes anyone could screenshot, it's ridiculous.

She looked very uncomfortable while BC was reading out that piece from Simon Fanshawe. And she didn't know SF was a founder of SW.