Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

She basically is unable to put her beliefs aside to even see how the workshop was lesbophobic.

I bet AH sees the time.

Just logging on today and catching up. Is CM another GCC barrister?

Head in sand over the coercion aspect of cotton ceiling workshop.

Again comparing to racial integration.

I have to go into a meeting soon 😩

How are so many people so captured by this bloody ideology. It's scary.

@ifIwerenotanandroid PPT published this statement about it after it took place:
www.facebook.com/PPToronto/posts/in-january-of-2012-planned-parenthood-toronto-in-partnership-with-other-local-pr/10150615471958021/

She's just as bloody bad, Tasteful.

'One of the most insidious things about this movement is its pretence towards objectivity.'

Couldn't agree more tabby. 👏

I spotted Amelia Susan Bones in the list of observers...

5 min break. Which is handy because I am FUMING after that. She was outrageous. Oh and we still don't have the witness statement. Back at 45.

Racism has nothing to to with this case. They are continually try to blur the arguments and remove meaning from words

I thought this was going to be potentially damaging but I think she strengthened AB’s case immeasurably. Of course it is legitimate comment.

CM just showed everyone the progressive face of homophobia.

As a slight tangent, when you were kids, did anyone else's parent exclaim "knickers!" instead of swearing?
My mum did. All this knickers chat is taking me right back!

I quite liked this witness at first - she seems straight forward and clear. But comparing lesbianism to racism is fucking homophobia. Anyone who refuses to accept that lesbians are same-sex attracted can fuck right off.

(PS, sorry for the swearing - I am raging and at work so can't swear too much here).

AH did not look happy there at the end before the break. He was properly aghast, I thought. It made me feel slightly better.

And particularly when the claimant is black.

It's vile

I was told that knickers is "common" and we had to say pants. I also wasn't allowed to say fart and had to say "blow off" instead. Cringe.

Are they addressing a different audience, to the public and the tribunal

@IloveHolby CM is Vice Chair of the Bar Council's Ethics Committee. Bio and role in the case is on page 8 above

It has only just occurred to me that archiving these threads might not be a bad idea. I've no idea how to do such a thing. Is anyone already doing that? If not can anyone who does know how tell me how to go about it? Or if you have the capacity and are willing to do it that would be fab obviously. I'm a bit hopeless with websites but very willing to have a go if someone can give me instructions.

This is my first day of watching while (trying to) WFH. Up to now I've just caught up on threads during breaks but watching it live adds a completely different dimension. Juggling this and work is going to be ... interesting.

I like that there is an observer called "Verity Shambles".

She just got right down there in that hole and started digging, didn’t she?

Her basic premise: nothing wrong with trying to persuade lesbians to have sex with males, because they are females when they say they are, and a lesbian barrister who objects to this is at risk of a breach of the Bar Standards.

Nah.

No IloveHolby, she's a QC who works with bar standards who was contacted by GCC to express a view of whether AB crossed the line with her tweets.

tgchambers.com/member-profile/cathryn-mcgahey-qc/