Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Imagine having a friend with whom you only had two topics of conversation. Three if you count swimming. And in spite of you both having interesting jobs, you never discuss any aspect of them in any way. You stick to Mariah, Drag Race and swimming. Just those three.

Absolutely fucking unbelievable.

An adorable smile from BC.

Can anyone off the top of their head remember who were HoC at the time and who are now? I don't think Liz was HoC at the time was she?

Yep, me too, monkeypox, and I’d even saved the image to post as well, but you beat me to it!

Liz Davies starting now.

Yes! And they are 'right on' they think they are doing us all a favour.

Try ebay for DVDs.

Are we not getting the E numbers now?

Made a witness statement correction for 'elegance'

Sorry this has probably been asked before but I've only recently been able to get in.

Why are they offered oath or to affirm? What's the difference?

Also....

Fucking DRAG RACE

One is swearing to almighty god. The other one is for heathens.

Oh fucking hell I forgot to NC back damn it

Religion. Swear is on the Bible / Quran.

Was it just me who thought of Zaphod Beeblebrox?

One is swearing to almighty god. The other one is for heathens. 😂

Liz Davies email at B695 = E783 is well worth a read. Far more sensible that much of the garbage flying around among the GCC barristers.

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I’m assuming the oath is for those who are happy to make a religious declaration, wookey. I don’t have a faith, so I’d be affirming if I ever had to testify in a court (which I never have done).

I believe that the joint Heads of Chambers at GCC at the relevant time were:
Leslie Thomas QC
Judy Khan QC
Marc Willers QC

Henry Blaxland QC was Joint Head of Chambers until Jan 2017

Yes, and presumably the child that is a victim of CSA and is too terrified to disclose to these men who are deciding how much trauma is enough trauma just has to deal.

Fucking wankers.

It doesn't work. It's either single sex spaces (and a third space, for trans people who don't feel happy in the space of their sex) or not.

What about Muslim women or orthodox Jewish women? Or are they not very 'inclusive' when it comes to religion?

I do hope LD didn't turn against Allison - she seems straightforward and I'd like to like her

LD seems very sensible so far.

Yes, I think so - watched it again not long ago (not really something to discuss on the feminist board as it's quite misogynistic but still hilarious!)

I was just thinking that there is barely a woman in the world who hasn't at least been groped, catcalled, leered at or propositioned.

For most of us there has been something worse.

For a lot of us, there has been something MUCH, MUCH worse.