Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

BC Finished with SC, JR now.

Another too busy travelling comment. No idea what the TRWG did.

I hope the family of that murdered child aren't watching this.

No more qs - re-examination by JR. AH should be panicking!

Another one who’s deleted his twitter account I see. Despite talking about it in the present tense in his evidence today.

When he started his list of things he talks to the clerks about I was thinking « ooh, you’ve made an error there, mate, no mention of football », and he paused, remembered they were all meant to say « we only talk about the footie » and threw it in at the last second. He got me...

Interesting that GCC thought that media and trans were an overlapping area...

Yes, totally unnecessary and unprofessional

It's going to take me a very long time to process the fact that this man has decided that we can only have single-sex spaces if we have PTSD or similar MH issues.
Incandescent.

Am I showing my age or did anyone else think immediately of this?

JR now finished, Liz Davis next.

5 minute break.

Yes Head Girl. Shut up and move the camera. Was she flirting with the witness? Won't get her anywhere. No I interrupted. No I interrupted

Has IO's camera frozen? I was just admiring her iron bladder control as she never seems to take a break 😂

For such right-on lawyers, they’re very heavy on the misogyny and general stereotyping.

I think the now infamous twitterstorm did far less damage to their reputation than this,,,

Yes. 😁

I tried to stream it recently, but it was no where to be found.

Indeed. "Big case" was in the script but he threw in a tasteless ad lib.

Exactly @Olderbadger1 so we have to disclose trauma in order to be allowed any privacy or dignity

Neither of his brains served him particularly well, did they?

I really want to think kindly towards other females, but JR really gets on my nerves.

I quite like her, she seems pleasant.

I agree Mr Hfuhruhurr.

Next witness:
Liz Davies QC - barrister and one of 3 Heads of Chambers at Garden Court Chambers
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/liz-davies-qc/sao
"Liz is a "star individual" social housing silk in Chambers and Partners and Tier 1 for social housing in Legal 500. She acts as a consultant to Crisis and has represented Shelter pro bono in interventions.
She specialises in all aspects of housing law, with a particular expertise in homelessness and allocation of social housing. She also practises in areas of community care and Children Act cases, particularly where accommodation might be an issue.
Comments on Liz in professional directories, besides those quoted above, include "She is one of the most outstanding, highly regarded and dedicated barristers in the country...She has an infectious passion for social justice and always goes the extra mile for clients." Chambers UK Bar Guide.
She is committed to acting for the homeless, and for tenants and other occupiers, and has a tenacious and practical approach to conducting her cases. She accepts instructions to appear in the Court of Protection and is also a qualified mediator.
Liz was a finalist for the Legal Aid Barrister of the Year Award 2014.
Liz started her professional life as a solicitor at TV Edwards, working in Tower Hamlets and Hackney. She developed a specialism in housing law as a solicitor. She came to the Bar in 1994.
She is a well-known labour movement and peace activist. She was a Labour councillor in Islington between 1990 and 1998 and chaired the council's women's committee. She regularly writes and speaks on issues involving civil liberties, social justice, anti-war and anti-racism campaigns.
Liz is honorary Vice-President of the Haldane Society.
Liz is also appointed to the Equality and Human Rights Commission's preferred Panel of Counsel (Panel A)."

"A senior junior of the highest calibre. Very authoritative on homelessness law and relentless in cross-examination." "She is extremely enthusiastic and dedicated to the field of housing law. She is very easy to communicate with, even when discussing complex issues on an urgent basis."
-CHAMBERS UK 2020
"She is known for her tireless commitment to her clients and her astonishing breadth of knowledge and depth of understanding of the law."
-CHAMBERS UK 2019

They did for his woke bro credentials, @dworky they still look spick and span.

Soul destroying to think men like CS are getting a say on women's privacy.

It is, Myth...i'm sitting here shaking my head at the fucking injustice of it.

Who the hell does he think he is??

Me too, though I prefer All of Me.

But DH & I do still use, "It's pronounced azaleas" & "Give me a sign... anything..." - are they from 2 Brains?