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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
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Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:47

She was brilliant. As were the cameos by her cat!

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:47

ickky · 14/05/2024 15:47

Judge Goodman has been the best by far, in all the ET's I have watched.

Definitely. 👍🏻

ickky · 14/05/2024 15:47

Judge Goodman has been the best by far, in all the ET's I have watched.

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GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:46

PoshCoffee · 14/05/2024 15:45

The judge from the original ET was a legend. Her well timed sighs belied her poker face.

I loved her.

Martin Reuby was excellent, as well.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 15:46

Trying to infer from the Judge's interjections which way it's going. This intervention sounds quite positive. Saying Stonewall's barrier has an uphill task.

PoshCoffee · 14/05/2024 15:45

The judge from the original ET was a legend. Her well timed sighs belied her poker face.

ickky · 14/05/2024 15:44

It was bizarre @MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving

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Pyjamagame · 14/05/2024 15:44

It was absolutely hilarious. I was cringing inside out for them all.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 15:41

PoshCoffee · 14/05/2024 15:30

BC “This is all new information” 🤣🤣🤣

EJ: All of them?

Which I hear in the voice of Lady Bracknell exclaiming about a handbag. Grin

i missed the KM part of Allisons original hearing, to my regret.

JollyJanuary · 14/05/2024 15:39

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 15:27

Finding this quite tricky to follow.

Me too. BC's bit was quite dry but at least i broadly understood what he was saying

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:34

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:28

At the time there was suspicion it may have been some sort of legal handler? Whoever it was, they were off like Usain Bolt at the thought of appearing on camera.

All very bloody fishy.

And it ended up being only the person on IO's left turning the pages on the bundle.

PoshCoffee · 14/05/2024 15:30

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:57

BC “This is all new information” 🤣🤣🤣

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:28

At the time there was suspicion it may have been some sort of legal handler? Whoever it was, they were off like Usain Bolt at the thought of appearing on camera.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 15:27

Finding this quite tricky to follow.

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:24

nauticant · 14/05/2024 15:21

To clarify, when giving evidence Kirrin Medcalf had in the room:
technical support worker/solicitor
emotional support who scarpered when it was required for them to be on screen
mother
dog.

Edited

I would love to know who that mystery person was.

GCITC · 14/05/2024 15:24

Captions also writes transwomen as one word. The transphobia!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:23

nauticant · 14/05/2024 15:21

To clarify, when giving evidence Kirrin Medcalf had in the room:
technical support worker/solicitor
emotional support who scarpered when it was required for them to be on screen
mother
dog.

Edited

And a partridge in a pear-treeeee! (off-screen)

GCITC · 14/05/2024 15:22

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 15:18

Procedurally, does Ben get a chance after this to address or refute any points in Ms Omambala's submission?

Yes

nauticant · 14/05/2024 15:21

To clarify, when giving evidence Kirrin Medcalf had in the room:
technical support worker/solicitor
emotional support who scarpered when it was required for them to be on screen
mother
dog.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 15:18

Procedurally, does Ben get a chance after this to address or refute any points in Ms Omambala's submission?

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 14/05/2024 15:10

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:24

Ben has just been setting out that there needs to be a relationship between the employer and the third party so it can't just be anyone who makes comments.

In a similar way as EW had to go to court to not be an included party but wants to join the action as an interested party?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5031964-chair-of-civil-service-seen-sued-for-saying-only-women-menstruate

Chair of Civil Service SEEN sued for saying 'only women menstruate' | Mumsnet

It seems TRAs in the Civil service are trying to crush the rights of others again and destroy the SEEN network. Gardening needed. Just search the usu...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5031964-chair-of-civil-service-seen-sued-for-saying-only-women-menstruate

ickky · 14/05/2024 15:09

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:07

Perfect! https://allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

'I trust you will do what is right' has vague overtones of 'or you'll sleep with the fishes'

and in true omerta fashion, shall never be spoken of again. 😂

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 15:07

Perfect! https://allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

'I trust you will do what is right' has vague overtones of 'or you'll sleep with the fishes'

https://allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

ickky · 14/05/2024 15:04

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:02

That's delicious! 😂

Alan Bennett would struggle to come up with dialogue better than that.

I loved BC THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW INFORMATION. 😂😂😂

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Feministwoman · 14/05/2024 15:03

I enjoyed revisiting that exchange