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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
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Thread 18 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4574654-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-18

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

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GoodHeavens99 · 15/05/2024 10:59

What advocate's hat does Kirrin Medcalf wear?? 🤷🏻‍♀️

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:59

Agree, from my recollection he had delayed sending letter until it had been approved by his manager. He wrote announcing himself as Stonewall trans -inclusion whatever (so clearly acting in his capacity as an employee and official representative of Stonewall.) GC took the complaint further & investigated specifically because of who it had come from. Maya Sikand was aware of the Diversity Champion connection even if Kirrin Medcalf at the time was not (and surely his manager would have been anyway.)

CriticalCondition · 15/05/2024 10:57

IO really reaching here to try and sever the chain of causation in what was reasonably foreseeable as a result of the complaint by KM. The Judge has immediately challenged her on it and said the outcome was one of several which were reasonably foreseeable.

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:56

I would read that as sack them or we cannot continue to associate with you.

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GoodHeavens99 · 15/05/2024 10:55

The Judge slowly reading out 'that' from KM email is quite something!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 15/05/2024 10:53

Help me out here, surely Stonewall as a corporate entity is what is on trial not Kirrin Medcalf and so however GCC acted was on the basis of their relationship with Stonewall and not what KM knew about that relationship. The complaint was signed by KM on behalf of Stonewall. What was in KM's head surely shouldn't matter. Sending the letter had been authorised by the manager.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:44

Having read BC's skeleton now it's much clearer when IO is clutching.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:40

I am here for the Judge's analogies.

RocketPanda · 15/05/2024 10:39

I've never seen game of thrones, I think of Monsters Inc when I hear the word banish

Monsters Inc Childhood GIF
GoodHeavens99 · 15/05/2024 10:38

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:37

IO revisiting/revising something she said yesterday...

It's a shame that she isn't going to say 'gender critical', today, cos i like the way she says it!

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2024 10:38

SinnerBoy · 15/05/2024 10:35

Emotional support mummy, emotional support solicitor, emotional support dog - how does he manage everyday life?

She gets a job at Stonewall!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 15/05/2024 10:38

Isn't she shooting herself in the foot? If cause requires no mental element then Stonewall caused the discriminatory action?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:37

IO revisiting/revising something she said yesterday...

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:36

Actually don't think it is her. Must put my glasses on.

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SinnerBoy · 15/05/2024 10:35

Emotional support mummy, emotional support solicitor, emotional support dog - how does he manage everyday life?

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:35

I think we have a Bindle in the building today too. 😀

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ickky · 15/05/2024 10:34

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:33

The fact that it's not for them would guarantee their full interest and wholehearted endorsement. If I bought a 'rotating cat tower' it would be roundly ignored.

Obvs

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:33

The fact that it's not for them would guarantee their full interest and wholehearted endorsement. If I bought a 'rotating cat tower' it would be roundly ignored.

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:31

If only for the cats to spin on @LipbalmOrKnickers

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:30

Having been forced to look at it for some time now, I have decided I too must have some sort of rotating bookshelf.

GoodHeavens99 · 15/05/2024 10:29

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:27

I think she said banish earlier too. I was expecting some sort of ritual. 😂

She threw caution to the wind and opted for good old fashioned 'throw you out' the second time.

GoodHeavens99 · 15/05/2024 10:28

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:27

I think she said banish earlier too. I was expecting some sort of ritual. 😂

Game of Thrones-style!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:27

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:27

I think she said banish earlier too. I was expecting some sort of ritual. 😂

😂

LipbalmOrKnickers · 15/05/2024 10:27

Kicking ass and taking (full) names!

ickky · 15/05/2024 10:27

I think she said banish earlier too. I was expecting some sort of ritual. 😂

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