Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

Just want to apologise to Ickky and anyone else, I shouldn't have made that accusation about derailing. Sorry.

I've just emailed back and forth with the clerk.

They're being very thorough!

Was it the LGBA vs Mermaids hearing where the Judge also wanted names and addresses of the observers?

Not a scooby.

We’ve no idea if more people requesting remote observation will help or hinder overall because we’re only guessing at the reasons it may be restricted. We’ll find out next week.

I haven't had an email from Allison, will the details posted originally still work or will my request for a link be rejected because I won't be either on Allison's or Stonewall's list?

@ickky you posted in good faith on a matter of open justice using publicly available information.

If I was a betting woman I’d say that the simplest explanation was that the courts are expecting that a larger than normal number of people would request remote access based on the numbers attending the original hearing. And the courts don’t have the staff to manage it, as discussed up thread, perhaps because they think this higher profile case would mean an increase risk of disrupters.

So Allison and Stonewall have probably been asked for names of people they want to observe and why, and if numbers are limited perhaps they will be taken into consideration when the judge decides who to admit, if anyone.

Employment appeals are listed here. It is updated every Friday with the following weeks schedule.

I do hope remote viewing is allowed. It is a matter of open justice, but glad to hear that TT will be there in person to report if not.

employmentappeals.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/public/causelist.aspx

After saying that it wasn’t agreed yet that there would be any remote observation at all, she initially asked that anyone who did want to observe to contact her, and then those that did were provided with instructions on how to make that request. And at the end of those instructions was the request that @MyPearlViper said - not to pass on the instructions to anyone else or to encourage anyone else to apply.

i didn’t get the impression she doesn’t want observers, the opposite actually. But there appears to be difficulties somewhere in the process, whether technical or objections from other parties we just don’t know.

I received that email from Allison as well.

But, her hearing isn't listed on CourtServe at all next week.

So, i'm a bit confused.

Hope Iccky isnt a plant trying to derail things

I’m pretty sure Iccky has enough posting history on this topic to show she’s genuine. I would hope she’s not deliberately disregarding Allison’s email (if she received it that is) and found out the details by contacting the court directly, as she has done previously.

The last sentence of my email from Allison says:

Finally, please don’t share this with anyone else or invite them to send their own email in.

I didn't post the details here or anywhere else as she had asked me not to. Hope Iccky isnt a plant trying to derail things

Link requested, thank you @ickky

Thanks so much for the guidance @ickky , have requested access.

Surely it must be a different judge. How can a tribunal hear an appeal against its own decision?

that reminds me, do appeals have different judges to the original hearing? No return of EJ Goodman and her cat?

I'm sure we could get a rota of terven clerks sorted. Bring your own support animal.

My personal opinion is that it's not the system that struggles but the clarks, with the extra amount of work it creates

I agree, for the high profile cases they need a full time online clerk to manage the users, much like they have ushers for busy courts. Wasn’t it Allison’s original hearing where some observers were using the chat facility inappropriately? And who can forget EJ Young forlornly calling out to “Justin?” and his somewhat grumpy “if you’re not in at the start of the season, forget it” in the Phoenix hearing.

Allison sent out an update to her supporters yesterday regarding her appeal. She said that it was not certain that remote observation would be granted by the court at all. She also said that tribunaltweets would hopefully be there in person if not remotely, but again they will have to apply for and be granted permission to do live reporting.

I interpret her general tone as “fingers crossed but don’t bank on it”.

The important part is that she said apart from that “my legal team and I are raring to go, and we are ready.“. Go Allison!

The last tribunal I watched remotely only gave out 50 links if I remember correctly, saying the system couldn't cope with more remote viewers.

My personal opinion is that it's not the system that struggles but the clarks, with the extra amount of work it creates.

I wonder if they can only accept so many into the live link and they are trying to reduce the number of applicants.

As an aside there is also another case at tribunal whilst Allison's is ongoing.

Thank you for this - have gardened.