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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 10/05/2024 18:09

Ah no, I’d miss “waiting for the conference host to join” too much.

/sarcasm

Igmum · 10/05/2024 18:05

I will read up on it on TT then catch up on the gossip and the wrens here.

As an aside, most Zoom rooms have a capacity of 100 as standard. This can easily be extended to 500 or webinar format to thousands. Zoom hosts can easily prevent participants unmuting/restrict chat etc and in webinars (probably more appropriate for a court case) attendees won't even see each other.

Maybe I need to chat to the clerks about zoom hosting in all its glory?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 10/05/2024 17:36

ickky · 10/05/2024 17:08

They have only just put up next weeks listing, yet the clerk said you need to email them before 4pm on the previous Friday.

Not exactly open justice when the listing is released after their deadline!

It’s consistent with the courts not having enough staff and also poor implantation and management of systems.

i had someone in my circle need to attend a hearing at family court recently and it was moved it to a building in an entirely different town over an hour away without anyone informing them. They turned up on the appointed day as per their letter, couldn’t find their case listed on the board and when they eventually found someone to ask which room they were in, the clerk looked it up, rolled their eyes and said it happened all the time.

Not sure whether it’s a symptom or a cause of the backlog in the judicial system, but something is fundamentally going wrong somewhere in the administration.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 10/05/2024 17:27

PoshCoffee · 10/05/2024 17:17

I’ve had no reply from my email to the EAT. It’s pretty rubbish IMO if these public bodies can’t deal with the public!

Did you get the automated reply?

PoshCoffee · 10/05/2024 17:17

I’ve had no reply from my email to the EAT. It’s pretty rubbish IMO if these public bodies can’t deal with the public!

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ickky · 10/05/2024 17:08

They have only just put up next weeks listing, yet the clerk said you need to email them before 4pm on the previous Friday.

Not exactly open justice when the listing is released after their deadline!

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GCITC · 10/05/2024 16:53

Info on the judge hearing ABs case, The Honerable Mr Justice Bourne.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.11kbw.com/content/uploads/profile-pdfs/charles-bourne.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjky52ttoOGAxXZ8QIHHc5yB04QFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2De_tOBEy-XCZRrCrfAxE5

A link to one case he won.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keeping-records-of-transgender-persons-history-proportionate-k7cxd9rpn

GoodHeavens99 · 10/05/2024 13:52

Keeprejoining · 10/05/2024 13:42

I was hoping a journalist would be able to log on

TT usually gets permission, even if Josephine Public doesn't.

Keeprejoining · 10/05/2024 13:42

I was hoping a journalist would be able to log on

EggcornAcorn · 10/05/2024 10:23

I shall follow updates on here as well.

Thank you all for the continuing thread.

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 10/05/2024 10:17

I forgot there was more still to go on this one, I donated previously but obviously missed signing up for email updates. Unable to clear my calendar to connect but will be following updates here.

Datun · 10/05/2024 10:15

Placemarking.

Go Alison!

WookeyHole · 10/05/2024 10:03

I've previously done some gardening and sat through the heady days of support wrens and other animals.

I'm not able to attend in person nor dial in in full, but I would be interested.

I think I will rely on you fabulous people for the highlights.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 10/05/2024 09:02

Keeprejoining · 10/05/2024 08:56

I'm not going to apply, although I remotely watched Allison's and Maya's tribunals which were informative , I feel that if spaces are limited I would rather give a space to someone who would make better use of the space.

I had second thoughts too, but then thought, why would I be any less worthy of being an observer than anyone else? Who judges what is “making better use” of the slot?

i then thought I bet men don’t think like this. I want to watch the hearing on the grounds of open justice and because I have an interest in the topic. So I’ve asked. People who think they may be more worthy can sort themselves out.

Keeprejoining · 10/05/2024 08:56

GoodHeavens99 · 10/05/2024 08:34

I agree @Sloejelly .

It's not very Open Justice-y, otherwise.

I also agree with a PP, who said that perhaps one of the reasons that the court is being so thorough, is because of the potential for extra work for the clerks.

Justin made his feelings about that perfectly clear!
He was very unprofessional, actually. I think he was out of order.
It shouldn't be up to the whims of the clerk who can and can't join.

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 23:19

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 09/05/2024 14:36

@ickky you posted in good faith on a matter of open justice using publicly available information.

If I was a betting woman I’d say that the simplest explanation was that the courts are expecting that a larger than normal number of people would request remote access based on the numbers attending the original hearing. And the courts don’t have the staff to manage it, as discussed up thread, perhaps because they think this higher profile case would mean an increase risk of disrupters.

So Allison and Stonewall have probably been asked for names of people they want to observe and why, and if numbers are limited perhaps they will be taken into consideration when the judge decides who to admit, if anyone.

I think it would be very wrong if Allison and Stonewall were the only ones who got to select observers. There are more people than those attached to those two who may be interested in the case and justice must be transparent. If there is more public interest then it should be more transparent not less.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 09/05/2024 23:04

TT are aware and to the best of my knowledge will be there.

FigRollsAlly · 09/05/2024 18:59

Just found my email from Allison in my junk folder! Hope Tribunal Tweets were aware in time and get permission to attend.

MarjorieDanvers · 09/05/2024 18:42

I’m assuming EAT is on Fetter Lane for in-person attendance?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 09/05/2024 18:06

Me either.

GCITC · 09/05/2024 17:24

I've heard nothing 🤷‍♀️

GoodHeavens99 · 09/05/2024 17:20

Same, @ickky .

I told him the truth, though. I said i would be wfh, so i had the flexibility to observe.

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ickky · 09/05/2024 17:07

@MyPearlViper No worries, I'm glad you said something as I didn't know. The last thing I want is to make life any more difficult or stressful for AB.

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ickky · 09/05/2024 17:04

GoodHeavens99 · 09/05/2024 16:14

I've just emailed back and forth with the clerk.

They're being very thorough!

Was it the LGBA vs Mermaids hearing where the Judge also wanted names and addresses of the observers?

Me too, they want to know why I want to remote observe and can't attend in person!

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