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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

OP posts:

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GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 13:03

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 13:02

What time did they say they'd reconvene?

14:00.

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 13:03

ickky · 14/05/2024 13:01

This is a bit boring, I could do with a unnecessary objection from Hochhauser.

I miss him Andrew.

Jane Russell and her children's tv presenter voice, not so much!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 13:02

What time did they say they'd reconvene?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 13:02

Lunchtime!

Original poster

ickky · 14/05/2024 13:02

Lunch

OP posts:

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 13:01

Agree, even with Ben at the helm it's been exceptionally dry.

Original poster

ickky · 14/05/2024 13:01

This is a bit boring, I could do with a unnecessary objection from Hochhauser.

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IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 12:48

Just taken the tribunal to my kitchen to put a frozen chicken pie in the oven. Wonder if they realise.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 12:37

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 12:37

My assumption was that there would be no new evidence as its an appeal against the original judgement, I may be wrong though.

Makes sense, thanks.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 12:37

My assumption was that there would be no new evidence as its an appeal against the original judgement, I may be wrong though.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 12:35

Ben is calmly and clearly laying out Allison's position. TT are covering it very well. Does anyone know if there will be witnesses and examinations, or is it a case of both sides setting out their positions before the Judge who will then go away to consider.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 14/05/2024 12:35

IAmOnTheList · 14/05/2024 11:39

It’s fascinating hearing BC read out evidence from the Stonewall complaint. The language has shifted so much since the email was written.
It sounds strangely cute and niche to hear Stonewall say AB comments around self-id denies trans people to live their authentic lives

Have noticed A LOT of this recently, benefit of social media is that you can't erase the stupid shit you have said. Lots of reverse ferreting de luxe.

Thingybob · 14/05/2024 12:34

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 11:48

Ten minute break.

I miss the support animals.

Google can provide you with a lovely photo of Nettle the support dog.

Apparently he is now in training to detect human remains!

I'm sure there is a joke there somewhere but I'm not clever enough to make it.

Pyjamagame · 14/05/2024 12:34

Just been in the utility room sorting out some washing and pondering if that is allowed and does that mean my utility room in under the court's jurisdiction.

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 14/05/2024 12:33

I also have support Pringles, twiglets, twixes and twirls if anyone would like one?

Propertylover · 14/05/2024 12:32

That’s what I understand.

IAmOnTheList · 14/05/2024 12:31

Support cat #1 has arrived now.

So if I’m following this correctly, BC is saying because Stonewall was holding discriminatory views regarding AB, their complaint was an inducement to discriminate?

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 14/05/2024 12:30

Thank you for these threads, as well as showing support I love them. As they are just so fucking funny sometimes,

My support cat is helpfully trying to sit on my knees. She is very determined to show her support and so keeps scrabbling to get on. She doesn't usually do this but I have a fucking broken leg, so of course she needs to put all her (substantial) weight on that particular spot

I am also a little off my face.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 12:30

I should have checked Xitter rather than squint at my screen trying to work out who’s who.

https://x.com/mforstater/status/1790308911389503774

RocketPanda · 14/05/2024 12:29

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2024/0418/1222042-super-recognisers-faces-voices/

Meet the people who never forget a face

While some of us struggle to recognise faces of friends and family, "super-recognisers" possess exceptional face recognition skills

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2024/0418/1222042-super-recognisers-faces-voices

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 12:21

RocketPanda · 14/05/2024 12:20

@GoodHeavens99 you could get a job in the CIA as a super recogniser. It's a sought after skill.

Anyhoo Afternoon all, all animals have abandoned me but I do have a few twix bars.

Really??
I'm going to put that on my CV as a special skill. 😉

RocketPanda · 14/05/2024 12:20

@GoodHeavens99 you could get a job in the CIA as a super recogniser. It's a sought after skill.

Anyhoo Afternoon all, all animals have abandoned me but I do have a few twix bars.

SpottyBumPony · 14/05/2024 12:11

Tribunal tweets are phenomenal

SidewaysOtter · 14/05/2024 12:10

Proves that if you get a bunch of middle aged feminists in the room, they’ll have it sorted.

Give us ten minutes and not only are the chairs sorted but the kettle's on and the Tunnock's Teacakes are being handed round.

GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 12:05

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 12:04

Glad you posted that, I knew I knew the face!

I'm good with faces. Which is why I recognised IO's instructing solicitor, as the page-turner.

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