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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3
Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4
Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5
Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6
Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7
Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8
Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9
Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10
Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11
Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12
Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13
Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14
Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15
Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16
Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17
Thread 18 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4574654-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-18

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

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GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 15:02

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:57

That's delicious! 😂

Alan Bennett would struggle to come up with dialogue better than that.

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 14/05/2024 14:57

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:46

Clerk is going to remove people if your screen name doesn't match the name on the order FYI.

thanks for the heads up, hadn't twigged there was a message in the chat

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 14:54

Oh you're both fantastic, thank you so much @nauticant and @ickky

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 14/05/2024 14:52

A couple of links to Tribunal Tweets for today here:

  1. Part 1 https://archive.is/nJ3J7
  2. Part 2 https://archive.is/ITjWD
For anyone else who's following TT or wants to review.
nauticant · 14/05/2024 14:49

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 14:44

It's been so long I can't remember exactly what KM wrote, going to have to revisit earlier threads and hope for a memory jog I think!

Enjoy:

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1524024687029858308

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:46

Clerk is going to remove people if your screen name doesn't match the name on the order FYI.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 14:44

It's been so long I can't remember exactly what KM wrote, going to have to revisit earlier threads and hope for a memory jog I think!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:44

Ah ok. I have a 3 hour 12 minute recording in the chat and it doesn't appear to be recording.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/05/2024 14:43

Still ticking away on my screen?

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:42

The recording appears to have stopped. Do you think they realise? Not sure if I'm allowed to point this out in the chat.

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:37

GCITC · 14/05/2024 14:34

According to the captions, the lawyer for Stonewall is Miss Oman Ballet Grin

Self ID changed to Self Harm D Freudian slip I think.

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IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:34

Stonewall arguing that Ben is trying to reargue the facts so the appeal has no merit.

GCITC · 14/05/2024 14:34

According to the captions, the lawyer for Stonewall is Miss Oman Ballet Grin

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:31

BC finished with his submissions

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Karensalright · 14/05/2024 14:29

@IdisagreeMrHochhauser thanks, would have been a “thrilling” effect

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:28

I am loving the incorrect captions. 😂

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GoodHeavens99 · 14/05/2024 14:25

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:21

I don't know, but would be great and give people pause before sticking in the knife.

How many NB people have been the instigators of most of these tribunals?
Roz Adams
Rachel Meade
Denise Fahmy

I know there are others, i just can't think of them off the top of my head.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 14/05/2024 14:24

Karensalright · 14/05/2024 14:20

Just thinking if Alison wins, could that open the gates for people to include an any one who causes a person to be harassed by their employer, such as in the Meade case?

That would have a brilliant effect on vexatious behaviour of TRA’s. Anyone have any thoughts?

Ben has just been setting out that there needs to be a relationship between the employer and the third party so it can't just be anyone who makes comments.

ickky · 14/05/2024 14:21

I don't know, but would be great and give people pause before sticking in the knife.

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Karensalright · 14/05/2024 14:20

Just thinking if Alison wins, could that open the gates for people to include an any one who causes a person to be harassed by their employer, such as in the Meade case?

That would have a brilliant effect on vexatious behaviour of TRA’s. Anyone have any thoughts?

Karensalright · 14/05/2024 14:15

@IBelieveInFerries I just checked with my husband who is a lawyer. If Alison wins then the Appeals judge can either issue a new ruling and consider awards or refer it back down to the original tribunal directing them to, amend their judgement and consider an award.

Karensalright · 14/05/2024 14:12

@GCITC no, sorry I meant his oral submissions.

GCITC · 14/05/2024 14:10

I'm in!

The closed captions are helping me focus. Pleasantly surprised at how accurate they are.

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