NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #38

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37

Every email on my work account belongs to my work. Every letter I type, every file I edit, they all belong to my employer.

Am I typing this on my work computer?

What do you think, I might be stupid but I'm no an idiot.

Is your ex my ex? 🙄

Did an A&E Consultant really burst into tears over that?

Yes, but tears worked well for Beth at ground zero, so let’s try the same tactic 🤔

It’s odd. I wonder if there was the main witness and then this, perhaps, is a different witness.

I remember the main witness saying that SP had walked down the corridor with her to find DU and as they walked down the corridor SP had explained the situation to her so she naturally repeated it to DU so SP could get on with other work.

That must have been in the bundle as she wasn’t called?

anyway, I remember that version of events but not how it appeared in ET. Perhaps from someone who had read something about it in the bundle and posted.

lol I was looking for something a bit more descriptive. Anyway I just read the transcript.

You don't have any rights to comment on a privately owned forum.

Maybe if you were more polite and less obnoxious to other posters and answered questions / stayed on topic?

KS FA and now she’s FO, that’s why the tears, I’m not buying it.

Exactly!

Excuse me I've been nothing but polite, while taking a lot of completely unwarranted crap.

Then you didn't need to ask then did you?

Meanwhile everyone else can see the issue from outer space.

Ah, gotcha, thanks.

Though as pp's have said, isn't R the one who said the interactions between BU and SP were of no concern?

Hang on. The witness did not want to be involved in this case. If you've admitted you've witnessed something can you refuse to be involved?

Oh my God she's now suggesting Sandie would have discriminated against her because she's a racist!

Why don't you tell us what you think? You are reading the same info as us.

Accusing Sandie of racism again.

I predicted that!

Posted this yesterday, the relevant parts of the ''ignoring incident'', posting here again:

DU - I said hi and waved to C. She answered Rhianna, didn't look at me but said no concerns

During Naomi's questioning:

NC - reads - 'on nightshift with SP, ignoring me as usual, Rhianna brought SP, SP answered to R not me', again recorded incident in phone, not as safety for patient issue. Sandie responded to R not you and didn't acknowledge your thanks.

DU - yes when I was close
NC - trivial no?
DU - not when it's a pattern, not even lookign at you again, not unreasonable to think ignoring.
NC - neither SP or R have mentioned this incident in evidence.
JR - SP said doesn't recall this incident
J - will check evidence
NC - nobody else remembers this.
DU - I didn't make it up, it's not unreasonable to say she's being off with me. May well be ignoring me.
NC - refs page. Note of R;s IX interview. Asked if aware of incident and to describe. She remembers conversation occured but not content
NC - contradicts you, she remembers SP and you talking.
DU - appears to contradict

Can the judge probe her in camera to see if this ‘protection’ is justified? Is the oath in a tribunal in Scotland to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or is there a ‘unless it’s something someone else wouldn’t want me to say’ clause?

Wouldn't they be dying to get that racism accusation backed up if they had an actual witness? This makes no sense

It’s the victim rescuer persecutor drama triangle being sky-written both over the court room in Dundee, and is at the heart of what has brought proceedings to this point.

This exactly! They knew they weren't supposed to discuss it and knowingly did it anyway. And when they were asked to submit emails they went to lengths to hide it. The way it was handled is appalling and NC is laying it out clearly for all to see.

The allegations that someone else didn't want to take Kate Searle's lead on, because she a miltant left wing basketcase who thinks that a woman not wanting to get changed in front of a man is an act of aggression and hate reportable to the police. Cos she's so 'right on' and so much of an ally.

Hi there and thanks for the reminder , but this link goes to SM (I already do monthly to them) is there a direct link to fundraiser?TIA

From TT:

NC - upset due to anxiety
KS - said dind't want any part because as a mixed race person, that SP views about her race would impact working together going forward
NC - youre asking us to believe your concern over how SP would treat her, caused that outburst?
KS - I'm kind, don't

Wait, so KS is trying to say that Peggie is so racist that a mixed-race member of staff was too frightened to be involved in the tribunal for fear of reprisals?

WTF??

Somone definitely identifies as " kind".