NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #38

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37

Well, Searl, aren’t you the interfering busybody.

All in service of letting a man use the female CR because he wants to.

Also

EVEN IF SP IS a racist. (And I am not buying it)

She's still entitled to not be treated like this and forced to share a changing room with a male.

Yes and usually those who describe themselves like that and bignote themselves up this way are anything but.

Oh, she might be 'kind'.... to male predators. She's not 'kind' to vulnerable females or her sisterhood.

She supports her lovely colleague? And trans people?

SP is an NMC-registered nurse, if there's evidence of her being racist - towards colleagues or patients - she should be referred to NMC. Obviously that hasn't happened though.

So basically KS cannot be questioned on this important point because otherwise she'll become upset. And asking these important points, in JR's eyes, means that NC lacks people skills?

And it doesn't show the staff at NHS Fife in the best light that they were gungho about reporting allleged transphobia but didn't seem at all bothered about reporting alleged racism.

From TT

J - says she doesn't know. we have prob gone as far as can go
NC - caused her great emotion
J - if people can't remember
JR - you naming a person caused her anxiety, seeing her upset, calling it an outburst means people skills leave a lot to be desired

Fifer : ooft, hings getting a bit heated. Methil flats in february - three bars on the fire, leccy meter birlin.

NC - after ix started and before AG conv with withness possibly.
KS - possibly
NC - do you agree if you sought her out then, it would be grossly improper
KS - yes
NC - so would have been after July date, or grossly improper.
KS - most likely after during discussion
KS - about this and who would speak
NC - you would have known if after AG had spoken to her?
KS - no I wouldn't
NC - why seek her out?
KS - ?? NC - when did DU nominate her as a witness?
KS - don't recall being told 29th dec who it was
NC - you heard DU nominate as person presetn in DU iv with AG 9th may where you were present
KS - if she said it then I would have heard it.
NC - you weren't giving instructions to lawyer on behalf of board, you aren't the client ?
KS - no
NC - you weren't the investigator
KS - no
NC - what possible business did you have seeking out a witness to pending tribunal procedings?
KS - no business.
NC - you were determined on DU behalf to round up support for his turn of events weren't you
KS - I asked her to see if her story supported Beth
NC - were you horrified when I mentioned her name
NC - not for her but for the consequences for you of making up something she said?
KS - no absolutely not.

NC glides on.

NC - moving onto Xmas eve... JR -
KS is becoming visibly distressed
J - break?
KS - no thank you.
NC - page 270 please. 2nd email is DU to you in small hours Xmas am

I agree. I am friendly with several colleagues, but I don't love anyone enough to risk my moral and professional integrity by getting this involved.

Perhaps Upton has named the mysterious person as a 'witness' to the alleged incidences of compromised patient care by Sandie, and she doesn't want to be involved because she's between the devil and the deep blue sea: have give 'evidence' for something that didn't happen (and quite possibly be torn to shreds by NC), or admit that she can't back up Upton's claims and drop Upton in it (and quite possibly make herself very unpopular with her managers).

She met NC.

She's sorry she got caught.

Trans woman? but you called them a transwoman before, I'm not following
Misgendering someone is literal violence

NC suggested K became upset when she mentioned R, because KS was afraid of the consequences for KS not R, because KS had made stuff up = more tears.
No break this time though.

How many witnesses have now accused SP of racism?

I doubt this 'colleague' even exists, she made them up, it's all a lie to cover for her being on her hands and knees for male predators.

I call Pete

JR sticking her nib in again, she can't help herself

She's realised just how fucked she is. I'd be amazed if there's not further consequences for her after what's come out regarding her actions during this whole saga.

JR: Dr Upton is not a man, he's a transwoman.

Pointless interrupt by JR

Dr Upton is not a Man

She was clearly determined to find any way she could, and any posssible ammunition she could find, in order to to asassinate SP's character - in pursuit of her objective...which was to punish/destroy career of SP for wrong think and being uncompliant.

Exactly this.

She's done well to hide it for 30 years so nobody ever made a complaint and then, when she supposedly did it right after she pissed off Upton, to do it in such a way that nobody has any evidence because she's so scary.

Sorry to be a pedant here Bez, you're doing a fine job! But you got a wee bit wrong, the transcript is:

NC - AG asked this witness a commendably open question, answer was flat contradiction of DU said...
JR interrupts. withdraws. Repeat qu. her evidence flatly contradicts.
KS - says can't recall the conv
NC - but recalls there was a conv KS - doesn't say which 3 people present

So JR withdrew her objection.

Craic on! 😂

ETA: Underlining. The bold doesn't stand out very well on dark mode, and light mode hurts my eyes 😂